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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Tried explaining this to some of our new Aussie friends. The idea Ange would ever walk is hilarious. This is a level financially and competitively that he has never, ever even got close to touching. It's an insanely meteoric rise for him considering his age and where he has spent most of his career coaching.

The guy was a punt. On the back of his work at Spurs so far (especially finishing 5th, and generally being entertaining) he might land at say a Palace etc, but he's not getting any better than that. Working at a top 6 PL club is literally a career dream come true for him, he's never stepping down, he's never rowing publicly with the board.
He’d get palace relegated.
 
You’re right.

I don’t know what’s going on behind the scene with Spence, but if he is a problem, then why did the club offer him an extension/new deal?

At this point, I don’t really care what he’s like as a person (so long as it’s not racist, bigoted etc.). We have a RB that suits the position, so play him. Why are we fucking Gray’s development by playing him at RB and LB?!

I fucking hate Levy but the team selection is on Ange, and so are the transfers, so all of this shit is on him.

Not because Romero or VdV is out.

Remember when the sky was going to collapse because Vic is out? Forster has done alright and been one of the better players but it’s just that he wears clown shoes when he’s playing.
Yes- why on earth extend Spence's contract? And it was done not too long ago- surely Ange would have said something to Daniel about it sometime after the Coventry game? Utterly bizarre stuff- you really can't make it up.
 
Appoinment of Ange has set such a precedent that nothing would be out of order from now on. Think about it. Is earning back to back promotions, finishing 2nd in Championship (not below Scottish League in quality) less impressive than Ange's treble with Celtic? Or anthing else he accomplished for that matter? Why shouldn't Mckenna be considered then?

That's not me trying to make a case for Mckenna btw. I'm just pointing out how absurd it was to bring Ange based on his past, and how pointless it is to expect him to turn things around. If he's the standard against which others candidates will be measured then we might as well roll the dice with a prospect like Mckenna.
 
I am 100% with the thought of sticking with the manager and giving him time. Absolutely.

My issue is when you implement this approach with the "wrong" manager. I would have loved sticking with Poch and see his 2.0 team. With Ange, he is not the manager you want to stuck with. He's been found tactically, when he faces good managers and team who are discipline, well-drilled, flexible with their manager's tactics and changes, he struggles and looks like a checkers player playing chess with "real" chess master. His changes and subs are "try and see" what happens. No tactical nuances to what he is trying to do.
That's why, also, I would never blame the players. I can put 10% on them if they have a bad game or two. But remember those are professional players and implement what the manager draws. They do that all their lives. How can Ipswich players looks so organized and discipline? Fulham's? Bournemouth? No way these players are better than ours. But they are well-coached, well-drilled, they know what the manager tactics are, they are trained enough to respond when the manager makes tactical changes.
Now someone tell me, does this apply to Ange? My opinion is, NO. After almost a year and a half, I do not see that. You have the good/great performance here or there, but the norm is struggle, sluggish, boring, no-ideas, headless chicken type of performance. List for me the matches where his changes turned a game around (tactical changes please, not the Son one where he only made a sub for fitness reason). The Man City result is an anomaly. City were (maybe still) is a bad spill where many teams take advantage of them. So we didn't do something totally out of order here. I am happy with the result, but I would take a loss to ManC and wins against Ipswich, Fulham, and Bournemouth any day.

Give me a manager with tactical knowledge, flexibility, knowing how to read games, impact games, manage the squad, find solutions when injuries/suspensions pile up. I don't care about attacking, entertaining, defensive debate. Just a manager who manages the team, the matches, the competitions, and of course the board. It can be done, Poch did it to some extent. Someone like Nagelsman is one I believe can do it. Not that I call for JN, but it was an example of possible alternatives since the big names like Kloppe are out of the question. The Breighton guy look promising though o_O
If we are to stick with Ange and to be honest I don’t rate him but I have said that with a few tweaks we are not far off if Ange’s changes. However if we keep him how about levy / Munn / Lange get him a number two? Like when robbo bought in TV at boro just for the season. It’s obvious the coaches offer nothing so a no2 may help. Alternatives sack him which he deserves and bring in someone like klopp for the season. He’s had enough time off. I’m sure he could come in for a few months. Then use his knowledge to get a new manager. Worth a shot?
 
If we are to stick with Ange and to be honest I don’t rate him but I have said that with a few tweaks we are not far off if Ange’s changes. However if we keep him how about levy / Munn / Lange get him a number two? Like when robbo bought in TV at boro just for the season. It’s obvious the coaches offer nothing so a no2 may help. Alternatives sack him which he deserves and bring in someone like klopp for the season. He’s had enough time off. I’m sure he could come in for a few months. Then use his knowledge to get a new manager. Worth a shot?

Klopp will never manage another premier league team other than Liverpool
 
Appoinment of Ange has set such a precedent that nothing would be out of order from now on. Think about it. Is earning back to back promotions, finishing 2nd in Championship (not below Scottish League in quality) less impressive than Ange's treble with Celtic? Or anthing else he accomplished for that matter? Why shouldn't Mckenna be considered then?

That's not me trying to make a case for Mckenna btw. I'm just pointing out how absurd it was to bring Ange based on his past, and how pointless it is to expect him to turn things around. If he's the standard against which others candidates will be measured then we might as well roll the dice with a prospect like Mckenna.

Now I actually want to see if Ange could get a team promoted from the Champo! 😂
 
Yes- why on earth extend Spence's contract? And it was done not too long ago- surely Ange would have said something to Daniel about it sometime after the Coventry game? Utterly bizarre stuff- you really can't make it up.
I can only think they’re keeping him because he’s still young and have potential to make them a nugget or two.

It is honestly the most baffling thing I’ve seen besides Ange-10-up-front-ball.
 
Now I actually want to see if Ange could get a team promoted from the Champo! 😂
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I mean Championship is an uphill battle. A 46 game slugfest between teams that are more or less equals.There's a kind of parity that's simply unimaginable in Scottish League. There's no team you can beat simply by showing up (like you can do if you're managing Rangers or Celtic). And like I said I genuinely don't think SL is higher quality than Championship. Would Celtic or Rangers even promote there, let alone steamrolling the entire league like they do in Scotland? Would most teams in SL even survive in Championship? Highly doubt it.

Winning the league or Scottish cup with Old Firm genuinely means nothing. If that's the criterion for managing this club then Mckenna is more than qualified. Ange doesn't have a better case than him.
 
I really hope not. Admire Mason for how far he's come but frankly think he's hung around a little too long. Our assistant coaches in general leave a lot to be desired.

If Mason has aspirations for senior management, he should take the reins of a Championship side and develop his coaching style.
Mason should have gone years ago. But why would he when he is on a cushy number here? No pressure or responsibility. Just sits on the bench. I’d love to know what the players think of him and what football insight he offers. Does he even have his badges yet? Anyways if he had any ambition he would have gone to take a proper coaching role or number 2 / assistant role somewhere. Bet his never had any offers.
 
Mason should have gone years ago. But why would he when he is on a cushy number here? No pressure or responsibility. Just sits on the bench. I’d love to know what the players think of him and what football insight he offers. Does he even have his badges yet? Anyways if he had any ambition he would have gone to take a proper coaching role or number 2 / assistant role somewhere. Bet his never had any offers.
To be fair he did score that goal against Forest. Surely worthy of a lifetime career at the club.
 
Mason should have gone years ago. But why would he when he is on a cushy number here? No pressure or responsibility. Just sits on the bench. I’d love to know what the players think of him and what football insight he offers. Does he even have his badges yet? Anyways if he had any ambition he would have gone to take a proper coaching role or number 2 / assistant role somewhere. Bet his never had any offers.

You really are a bit of a cunt aren’t you??

What the fuck happened to you as a child to make you this bitter??

Young guy whose career ruined by an injury that could have killed him. Proper Spurs.

And you come up with shit??

And yes. He’s got his pro license.

Sort yourself out. Bitter people like you make me fucking sick.
 
After reading the last 20 pages of this thread I get the distinct impression that most are going for "ANGE OUT" , is that right or am I not reading the room correctly .:thumbup:
That is right, but it is also probably irrelevant. The people who post here are not typical of the overall fan base which is still supportive of the manager. Postecoglou often says he doesn't have a Plan B and its likely Levy and the board don't either. Postecoglou is the ideal manager for Levy right now. He's got a large and vocal following that believes he's the best manager Spurs have had, his teams play a style of football the fans like, and he won't push hard for a bigger payroll. If Levy fired Postecoglou he would be blamed by much of the fanbase for Postecoglou's not producing a winner. Firing Postecoglou gets him nothing. Short of being relegated, which won't happen, Postecoglou is fireproof.
 
You really are a bit of a cunt aren’t you??

What the fuck happened to you as a child to make you this bitter??

Young guy whose career ruined by an injury that could have killed him. Proper Spurs.

And you come up with shit??

And yes. He’s got his pro license.

Sort yourself out. Bitter people like you make me fucking sick.

Hmmmmm....

No need for the excess but agreed on Msson to a large extent.

My hope is that his position enables him to say things and have an impact on Postrcoglou.

On that none of us really know but people like Mason can be the link for new people amd hopefully all along he also picks up valuable insight and experience.

And one day who knows.
 
Shame that the narrative on social and mainstream media is more about Spurs fans turning on Ange rather than Levy.

When a team are playing badly, it may be the fault of the players or the manager or both. In my opinion it's the players to blame, and the reason for that is lack of investment.

Many have noticed our underlying stats are better than our actual points tally. Why could that be the case? Let's have a look at the players in attack shall we...

SON - Used to be world class, now old, past his prime and injury prone.
SOLANKE - He is not a good finisher and never was. He is great at pressing. Ok.
JOHNSON - Honed his ability to make good runs into the box to score. Bad all round game, can't dribble past players.
WERNER - Can't finish. Good at running.
ODOBERT - 3 goals 2 assist last season for Burnley, okay for a 19yo but nothing special.
RICHARLISON - Good at headers but not with ball at his feet.

That's not NEARLY good enough for a team challenging for top 4, forget trophies.
 
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