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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
I would totally bin the league to focus on fa cup or Europa league. Especially Europa.
But ange ball cannot guarantee a cup. It’s probably the most anti cup style of football.
Rules in winning a cup, any cup…
1. don’t get beaten….
2. Try get a clean sheet.
3. See the result out
 
Reminiscent of the season Leicester won it, the regular big teams had a season off, and Tottenham just never had the belief to go all the way.
I think the 15-16 team was more flawed than it was a mental belief issue. We had fuck all depth and Poch bungled some big matches. The lads legs went some time around March (an absolutely terrible month) and we couldn’t keep up the intensity.
 
He does adapt, but not on the scale he needs to, and not beyond pre-match and half time. It’s during matches that he seems happy to let it play out, and doesn’t really tinker which is what’s baffling and frustrating.

When people say he’s inflexible I think it’s more in depth, defensive and in-game on the fly.
Another thing I've noticed - always makes like for like subs.

Not saying it's the right thing to always change formations etc during a match, but he doesn't really give opposition managers much to think about during the game.
 
Kane, Eriksen, Walker, Verts, Toby, Lloris, Dembele is a level of athlete and footballing skill lightyears beyond anything we have at the moment.

Maybe that's a coach issue and can be fixed by changing manager but I'm not so sure. We'll find out soon enough

Poch definitely improved some players - especially Walker and Rose. So there's that

Poch’s strongest ability was player improvement. Dembele was a bench player often unfit during AVB’s tenure and when he did play he often just sat on the ball too long, he had amazing talent but mostly unused before Poch. You can watch Chelsea last season go from a mess to their last 5 games of the season where they became an animal and Caicedo actually started looking like the £100m player rather than a flop. He gets players fit and works on their flaws hard. I remember seeing an interview with Danny Rose after he had a game came into Poch’s office thinking he had a good game then Poch went through with him each and every tactical error during the game. As a pure coach he is by far the best we have had, miles above Jose or Conte.

Where he perhaps wasn’t the greatest was in game tactics, often he would struggle to adapt if things didn’t go the way he wanted. The player ID thing is a bit overblown IMO as a proper run club should have scouts to identify talent not just rely on the manager, it isn’t the 90’s anymore and Hitchen was a bit pants.
 
He’s still living from the fist 10 games of last season it’s absolutely crazy. In 18 months we had 2 months and a half of good results. At the beginning. That’s it
I think that he has as long of a rope as he has because he still has a decently large faction of the fandom on his side.

It's different from when we sacked Mourinho and Conte. Who had most of the fanbase against them.

Levy probably takes that into account to some degree.
 
I honestly don’t hate Poch, I’m nearly 60 and he gave me two of my favourite seasons as a Spurs fan (I have to go back to the 80’s for other favourite seasons) and I think despite not winning anything he’s possibly the best coach we’ve had in my time.

And I don’t think Ange is the messiah either, last year I was pointing out the flaws when we were winning, likewise got stuck in this thread when we were on winning form for pointing out what I thought were inherent flaws. And fuck knows some of his decisions lately really fuck me off.

But I’m also realistic enough to see that when Poch wasn’t presented with good recruitment his football turned to shite, even in the peak years some of his decisions cost us titles/cups, and last year his £1bn Chelsea shipped more goals than Ange and his “no defence” football.

Likewise, these guys that keep saying Ange doesn’t adapt, don’t spend a fucking nano second actually analysing whether he actually does tweak things tactically, because he does. But you can’t tweak a VVD or a Toby A, Vertinghen, a peak Kane, a peak Son, Eriksen, Dembele, Wanyama etc until we build another great team, whoever we appoint will fuck us off. The one thing all those managers had were at least one or two top of the tree players. Modric, Bale, Kane etc. Ange doesn’t even have one of those to carry the team.

I remember during the dog shit Mourinho/Conte years people saying “I wouldn’t mind losing if only we were trying to win”. Turns they are going to whine about losing no matter how it happens. Who knew.

I’m ambivalent about what happens to Ange now, finding it hard to care, but until we recruit another good team, we won’t be one, no matter who’s in charge.

And this is the the most competitive PL, with better coaching and players from top to bottom, there has ever been. By a fucking mile.
Fucking excellent post mate.

Don’t think anything else needs up be said in this thread really.
 
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