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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
That's one of my biggest gripes with Ange.

When ever you go back to analyse a game it is so obvious that our team is poorly coached. For all the talk of strategy, tactics and system there is a shocking lack of it.

There's a vague idea of how he wants to play. But there's no structure. Both with the ball and without it. The press is also unfocused and all over the place.
I think his biggest downfall is his lack of desire to work on us when we don't have the ball. He's so hell bent on his way and going to try and score and proving himself right that he's completely neglected to instil winning the battle and earning the right to play. There's a major physical battle at this level that you simply have to win. Until he gets it into his head that we need a better more structured set up to negate opposition attacks, gets some intelligent defensive midfielders that can sit in there, read the game win the ball and play we're always going to get caught out when we lose the ball pushing everybody up trying to just play pretty football all the time.
 
Nahhh man....we scored first.....granted their equaliser was fortunate and ref was shite.

But Eddie Howe managed the game got the fortunate equaliser and then got another.

He then backed his players to see the game out. we had a Sarr shot that led to Johnson post chance and a Solanke half chance header.

Eddie Howe got the win. different to his last 5 wins. He knew if he chased, it becomes a tit for tat game that he didn't want because we throw men forward that Increases our chance to score.

Maddison went very close, Johnson had another great chance and Reguillon probably could have scored or crossed it. solanke forced 2 saves.

Howe got lucky, you can't tell me he was telling his players to give the ball away in his own half the entire second half. You are looking through very rose tinted glasses for Newcastle. Like I said, that was the kind of thing Conte had us doing and Spurs fans were singing the Pochettino he's magic you know song.
 
Biggest compliment I can pay Gray is that for that first half, even when things looked really tough, he looked like the experienced centre back who was sheperding an inexperienced partner through the game.

I'm not digging out Dragusin, because he's having a hard time confidence wise. and he was ill etc. But Gray has stood up in the last month, in a difficult situation, out of position, beyond what anyone could imagine.
The sooner we can play Gray as number 6 the better.
 
People predicting demolitions were mostly people deliberately playing us down so that any result would be seen as decent. I.e Shadydan Shadydan

Prior to the game:

We are absolutely cooked
Keep the scoreline below 5 and I’ll be proud.

Hmm...

Mate you know I respect you because you've always been consistent but... this don't help...

our kids did well today. It's pretty rank that we can't acknowledge that because it might lose aura points in some weird online shitposting about a manger who we all know it going soon enough...

Edit: like.., you've won the war why lose battles now?
 
I think his biggest downfall is his lack of desire to work on us when we don't have the ball. He's so hell bent on his way and going to try and score and proving himself right that he's completely neglected to instil winning the battle and earning the right to play. There's a major physical battle at this level that you simply have to win. Until he gets it into his head that we need a better more structured set up to negate opposition attacks, gets some intelligent defensive midfielders that can sit in there, read the game win the ball and play we're always going to get caught out when we lose the ball pushing everybody up trying to just play pretty football all the time.
That and his hesitance to make subs that aren't like for like.

I guess that that comes from his supreme belief in his style of football. But there have been games were it would have been better to make a sub that led to a formation or tactical shift. Rather than just a like for like one.

The most flexible that I have seen him with subs have been when he's taken Dominic off and pushed Son in central. Or had the winger move from one flank to the other.
 
That and his hesitance to make subs that aren't like for like.

I guess that that comes from his supreme belief in his style of football. But there have been games were it would have been better to make a sub that led to a formation or tactical shift. Rather than just a like for like one.

The most flexible that I have seen him with subs have been when he's taken Dominic off and pushed Son in central. Or had the winger move from one flank to the other.

Don't forget his special game vs Man City

Changed formation, felt like Sarr was almost a false 9, after so many shit games and fucking defeats

He changes everything in a game if we won our closest rivals win the league, he then has the cheek to come out and call out our fans

We're is this formation now? Where is this tactical flexibility? Only one game that meant so much in general?

Shows he doesn't have a fucking clue and just doesn't get it
 
Maddison went very close, Johnson had another great chance and Reguillon probably could have scored or crossed it. solanke forced 2 saves.

Howe got lucky, you can't tell me he was telling his players to give the ball away in his own half the entire second half. You are looking through very rose tinted glasses for Newcastle. Like I said, that was the kind of thing Conte had us doing and Spurs fans were singing the Pochettino he's magic you know song.
Nah mate..we was 1 nil up......they away from home and done the hard yards to get back into it......we throw men forward.... He didn't get lucky..he obviously didn't want them giving the ball away but takes off isak and Gordon knowing they are done he is managing them. And managing the game not throwing the game and destroying their legs
 
Nah mate..we was 1 nil up......they away from home and done the hard yards to get back into it......we throw men forward.... He didn't get lucky..he obviously didn't want them giving the ball away but takes off isak and Gordon knowing they are done he is managing them. And managing the game not throwing the game and destroying their legs
Hard yards to get back in? Was a blatant handball.

Agree on the subs to save his forwards. He was just getting more ball winners on to try and get the ball back and try to control it a bit because we’d bossed the whole second half and Bissouma only bossed it even more.
 
Its obvious to all….
Porro actually goes all right when tucks in and defends,he should only be up top on the occasional overlap!! he whips in a great ball as we all know,and to state the obvious we have a midfieder cover him.
Lost count number of times Drag is looking for an outlet right side and fresh air there
This does the lad no favours at all
Same goes to certain extent when Destiny plays

We need a proper defensive coach brought in ASAP before anything else as every winning team is built from the back,and with a couple additions we can get this sorted i believe.

If this continues in same vein then Ange moves on winning a trophy or not in my view.
 
Hard yards to get back in? Was a blatant handball.

Agree on the subs to save his forwards. He was just getting more ball winners on to try and get the ball back and try to control it a bit because we’d bossed the whole second half and Bissouma only bossed it even more.
Ok... That was the equaliser they got the winner not long after from the exact same move...he created his own outcome because he was forcing the issue.

Bissouma bossed it but was never pressed
They dropped of 20 yards in the 2nd half knowing Botman and burn would be Under it.

They got a great 3 points in their eyes.
And Eddie Howe was the reason.
 
Prior to the game:




Hmm...

Mate you know I respect you because you've always been consistent but... this don't help...

our kids did well today. It's pretty rank that we can't acknowledge that because it might lose aura points in some weird online shitposting about a manger who we all know it going soon enough...

Edit: like.., you've won the war why lose battles now?

Not the win you think it is man .. go back and check the context on those posts. I was actually mocking other people for being so defeatist. Especially with the first comment the whole point was the original post was ‘oh woe is us, it’s not a free hit but nobody can expect anything!’ which I found pathetic.

We had 2 kids on (Austin is 25…) & the rest are all senior players. We brought on Maddison, Son and Bissouma relatively early too. The way you’re talking you’d think we had a full youth XI. Do I think the young players we had on did a good job? Yeah of course. Gray and Bergvall are talented lads, always have been. We paid good money for them and they were extremely highly rated in the wider football world. No miracle they’re good. Gray was a key man at fullback for a top championship side last season, it doesn’t surprise me at all he’s doing a job.

Were we at a disadvantage in this game in terms of injuries? 100%. Did we still have a better team by far than many sides who have beaten Newcastle at home? Yes. It was always still winnable. Our record of late is abysmal, we still have the footballers available to be picking up points here and there.
 
Not the win you think it is man .. go back and check the context on those posts. I was actually mocking other people for being so defeatist. Especially with the first comment the whole point was the original post was ‘oh woe is us, it’s not a free hit but nobody can expect anything!’ which I found pathetic.

We had 2 kids on (Austin is 25…) & the rest are all senior players. We brought on Maddison, Son and Bissouma relatively early too. The way you’re talking you’d think we had a full youth XI. Do I think the young players we had on did a good job? Yeah of course. Gray and Bergvall are talented lads, always have been. We paid good money for them and they were extremely highly rated in the wider football world. No miracle they’re good. Gray was a key man at fullback for a top championship side last season, it doesn’t surprise me at all he’s doing a job.

Were we at a disadvantage in this game in terms of injuries? 100%. Did we still have a better team by far than many sides who have beaten Newcastle at home? Yes. It was always still winnable. Our record of late is abysmal, we still have the footballers available to be picking up points here and there.

The commentator said our average age at the start of the match was around 23 and the youngest since 2015 iirc?
 
The commentator said our average age at the start of the match was around 23 and the youngest since 2015 iirc?

Same average age as Chelsea’s squad, then? Similar to a number of premier league teams.

We had a couple of teenagers massively bringing it down. Teenagers highly rated and signed for big fees. Good players who did well but I won’t be clapping Ange on the back for their performances.

Especially not when we are where we are in the table. No I’m sorry he won’t be getting any praise at all for being 3 points off 15th. The clown fraud.
 
I'm sorry to break it to you but those managers aren't moving mid season to come to a club who have just sacked their manager mid rebuild, they're going to asses their options and see what's best for them in the Summer.

Also you lot will never fail to make me laugh...you continually make the point about Levy being the worst chairman ever but you expect managers to drop everything to jump at the chance to work with him...oh yes that makes complete sense. 😆
I'm sure there are a few decent managers out there, who could be convinced to take the helm, with a cleverly spun Powerpoint presentation, and promises of a competitive transfer policy that could land us with an elite player or two. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall at Ange's job interview.
 
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