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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Steed_Train said:
The trouble is none of our "recognised" players are really under any threat. They won't be replaced or sold as we can't get any decent players in and we don't sell the mediocre crap.

Where's their motivation? Ange is the only person in our entire structure who even seems remotely like he wants to win something.

We're like a holiday camp for mediocre players
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Assuming that these senior players are Maddison, Porro, Bissouma, Bentancur and Werner

Gray, Bergvall, Spence are already staking a claim for first team football, no doubt Odobert would have been another one getting more mins.

They all have legit competition.
 
Shadydan said:
Assuming that these senior players are Maddison, Porro, Bissouma, Bentancur and Werner

Gray, Bergvall, Spence are already staking a claim for first team football, no doubt Odobert would have been another one getting more mins.

They all have legit competition.
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Goog, Bergvall is a beast -

These older players down tools and half arse all the time for club after club after time.

Id rather have a team of younger players giving 100% any fucking day
 
Shadydan said:
Assuming that these senior players are Maddison, Porro, Bissouma, Bentancur and Werner

Gray, Bergvall, Spence are already staking a claim for first team football, no doubt Odobert would have been another one getting more mins.

They all have legit competition.
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That's a squad it's not competition.

There is a well established hierarchy of who plays where and rotation is generally out of necessity rather than tactical
 
dudu said:
Nahh, the guy tried to tap up Rogers for a job in the England Setup at the end of a game.

100% disrespectful - he thought he had the job, he took his eye off the ball.

In his own words.

Queens Park Rangers manager Harry Redknapp has revealed that now-Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers agreed to become his assistant if he was ever offered the England job.

Redknapp was thought to be the front runner to replace Fabio Capello in charge of England last year, but the Football Association opted to offer the job to Roy Hodgson instead of the then-Tottenham Hotspur manager.

The 66-year-old revealed that he had approached Rodgers, who was then in charge of Swansea City, during a match between Spurs and the Swans and that the Northern Irishman had agreed to become his number two.

"My thinking on Brendan was this: if he can do it with players from the lower leagues at Swansea what can he do with Rio [Ferdinand] and [John] Terry or [Wayne] Rooney and [Steven] Gerrard?" Redknapp wrote in his autobiography, which is being serialised by the Daily Mail.

"So when Tottenham played Swansea on April 1, 2012 I pulled Brendan after the game and said that if all the speculation about me and England was true would he consider coming to the European Championships in the summer as my part-time coach? I told him I wanted England to play with as much technical ambition as Swansea. He was up for it.

"Some Tottenham fans might think I was distracted from my club job, but I can assure you the conversation took five minutes. And we beat Swansea 3-1 that day, by the way. It didn't work out. On April 1, I was contemplating the way forward for England with Brendan Rodgers - and on April 29 the FA offered the job to Roy Hodgson."

How can someone claim to not be distracted, and then say he was spending time contemplating a way forward for the England job? Liar!
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I mean, I truly appreciate you recounting all of that. It just doesn't really sound that bad to me. As a manager myself I would not expect anyone I manage to not have private thoughts and speculations on their own personal ambitions. I feel like that would be unreasonable.

5 minute convo after a match we won? I guess I would consider that far less harmless than our boob of an ex-head of transfers who said he didn't like doing business in the winter window, or our medical staff, Levy or ENIC generally. But, that's just my take on it...
 
Jaynola said:
Fair enough, works both ways.

It's nothing personal. First & foremost, I don't rate him as an elite football manager, he should be nowhere near the Spurs job...he's given us ample evidence of that. You don't need to have your coaching badges nor have played the game to know his system is flawed and that he's way out of his depth. As for his character, I saw through his Mr Nice Guy act pretty rapidly...but then again as a business consultant who's worked all over the place with various orgs and tons of C-execs, including on how they lead & communicate/present themselves internally and externally, maybe I've got some kinda predispositions. Or I just got eyes & ears and I see through our PR team's bullshit easy.


One zillion per cent with you on this.


As above.
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Thing is, I'm not football smart in the way some on this board are but I wonder about this idea that his system is flawed and he's out of his depth because of the system. His system isn't working right now but as we saw with Pep's system this year, EVERY system is flawed and can be exposed. What I see with Ange is a perfect storm of shit going wrong to expose the flaws in his system. When things are going well, his system can go to City and win 4-0, it can beat Liverpool, it can get a point at Woolwich, and it can unlock stubborn, orgnaized teams like Brentford.

Now, he is stubborn and he will refuse to adjust when the perfect storm does arrive to expose his system. I do understand the growing number of voices who wanted him to change his philosophy because of the storm he's in. They want results regardless of the trouble we have with injuries or fatigue or whatever. I understand their takes. But... I also respect Ange even more for sticking to his guns and saying if we change our beliefs now, where does it end? Then you just end up going from compromise to compromise and you have no idea who you are anymore.

which brings me back to the club. Recruit a squad that can handle the storm.

1.Don't leave him with Davies as the back up LCB and Spence as the back up LB when he's a very right-footed RB who is still earning his spot in the rotation.

2. Don't leave him with Bissouma and Bentancur as his only senior CMs with any defensive instincts at all. Especially when you know both are inconsistent and have issues with injuries and suspensions.

3. Don't leave him with a broken Richarlison as his only rotation CF so he has to burn out Solanke.

4. Don't leave him with Werner as the first veteran WF to rotate with Son when he was a cheap stopgap last year.

If you are serious about going in this direction and an employing this City Football Group, Pep/Barca/Cruyff style system, then actually go all in, don't just try and bosh it into Levynomics of "little by little" recruitment that always leaves squads shorthanded.
 
dudu said:
LOL Redknapp was planning on dumping us for England job he admitted it himself. He was tapping up other managers to be his assistant at his place of work whilst still in a contract.
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So let’s sack a manager and replace with someone who had only ever failed in the PL? Because he was cheap? No severance?
Never sack a manager unless you can get someone no worse.
And the England job? The FA had virtually guaranteed the job to him until the bean counters found out that Roy H would do it for, er, beans.
 
Klaus said:
You got the sense Levy never liked Redknapp. He's always had a bit of a fetish for fancy European "brainy" managers over the more coach-y type managers. Eg, brought in Santini, unceremoniously dumped Jol for Ramos, dumped Redknapp for AVB, then Poch.
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Nah. Not really.
Go's the other way too. Dumped Ramos for Redknapp. Dumped Conte for Postenobody.
 
Steed_Train said:
That's a squad it's not competition.

There is a well established hierarchy of who plays where and rotation is generally out of necessity rather than tactical
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Yeah and of course that’s necessity. Who wouldn’t have the first few names on the sheet as Kinsey, Dragusin, Gray, Porro and Spence for Sunday? We literally have no other options.

We’re in the awful spot where the team picks itself, for all the wrong reasons. It’s one thing when the first name on the sheet was Kane because he was dominant. Or Dembele because he was so good that he couldn’t sit. We really haven’t got anyone like that today.
 
Aphex said:
This has really wound me up. Because of all the managers to get behind, it is the one with no success in a major league, who is clearly completely out of his depth in the PL, and has some many very obvious flaws as a manager. It just defies belief. It justs hows how much Levy is completely and utterly clueless about football. You couldn't make it up. Of all the managers to actually show patience with, Levy decides to do it with this old bluffer.

Unbelieveable.

We really are fucked as a club. Run by absolute clowns.

Still, as the article says, if he doesn't win on Sunday, it's close to curtains if it isn't already.
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I don’t think he knows. Seemed to be perplexed as to why we hadn’t sacked him and then outlined the matches we have to lose to make it happen. He has a point about the Europa league games. Either way I think we’ll know by the end of January.
 
Ange has stated that he tells his coaches how he wants the team to play and invariably lets them get on with it. The coaches themselves are just a randomly bunch of journeymen with limited ability. During a game Ange hardly ever offers any instructions to the players simply because of his own limited ability. Surely to God Levy van see this.
 
bk_spur said:
I mean, I truly appreciate you recounting all of that. It just doesn't really sound that bad to me. As a manager myself I would not expect anyone I manage to not have private thoughts and speculations on their own personal ambitions. I feel like that would be unreasonable.

5 minute convo after a match we won? I guess I would consider that far less harmless than our boob of an ex-head of transfers who said he didn't like doing business in the winter window, or our medical staff, Levy or ENIC generally. But, that's just my take on it...
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I mean, the guy was thinking about the England job and was not focussed - he is 100% lying if he said he wasn't and our form the 3 games between then and him finding out the job was gone was awful

0-0 Sunderland, losing 2-1 Norwich and then to QPR 1-0

Our 5-1 drubbing vs Chelsea in the semi-final was during that month too. Too much of a coincidence for me.
 
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Richard Arlison said:
Thing is, I'm not football smart in the way some on this board are but I wonder about this idea that his system is flawed and he's out of his depth because of the system. His system isn't working right now but as we saw with Pep's system this year, EVERY system is flawed and can be exposed. What I see with Ange is a perfect storm of shit going wrong to expose the flaws in his system. When things are going well, his system can go to City and win 4-0, it can beat Liverpool, it can get a point at Woolwich, and it can unlock stubborn, orgnaized teams like Brentford.

Now, he is stubborn and he will refuse to adjust when the perfect storm does arrive to expose his system. I do understand the growing number of voices who wanted him to change his philosophy because of the storm he's in. They want results regardless of the trouble we have with injuries or fatigue or whatever. I understand their takes. But... I also respect Ange even more for sticking to his guns and saying if we change our beliefs now, where does it end? Then you just end up going from compromise to compromise and you have no idea who you are anymore.

which brings me back to the club. Recruit a squad that can handle the storm.

1.Don't leave him with Davies as the back up LCB and Spence as the back up LB when he's a very right-footed RB who is still earning his spot in the rotation.

2. Don't leave him with Bissouma and Bentancur as his only senior CMs with any defensive instincts at all. Especially when you know both are inconsistent and have issues with injuries and suspensions.

3. Don't leave him with a broken Richarlison as his only rotation CF so he has to burn out Solanke.

4. Don't leave him with Werner as the first veteran WF to rotate with Son when he was a cheap stopgap last year.

If you are serious about going in this direction and an employing this City Football Group, Pep/Barca/Cruyff style system, then actually go all in, don't just try and bosh it into Levynomics of "little by little" recruitment that always leaves squads shorthanded.
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If Ange is really in an 'injury crisis' of incredible proportions, why doesn't he temporarily adjust his system to we can keep winning more points while we wait for the higher up "cabs on his rank" to return to fitness?

I guess it's better to just drive the car off the cliff instead, right? Pedal to the metal, middle finger to Satan type shit?
 
bk_spur said:
Fucking hell that's a terrible, terrible stat.
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THATS WHY ANY SORT OF WIN IS JUST POSTPONING THE INEVITABLE AND PREVENTS US GETTING ANYTHING OUT OF THIS SEASON

I’ve never wanted a manger to get the sack before, even though when it happened it was just fucking obvious - like Gross or Ramos - but this guy is a complete buffoon and will take us down into the relegation zone if he’s given the chance
 
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