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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Bit in bold, is this about my point about Levy?

Either way happier than not my point is that it's just as unlikely/likely for them to leave when the club is doing badly as opposed to them club doing well, actually more chance of them being picked off because they'd be getting noticed more.

The only player right now in danger of leaving is Romero but we know that already and even then it's not even crystal clear that he is Real's no1 target anyway...the others? Well are they even playing well enough to go anywhere which they would consider an upgrade? I don't think so.

No, sorry wasn’t clear was it really. That was generally on the idea you suggested about players being more likely to leave in a team doing well.
 
1. Yes, he is playing an extra intense style with less timewasting.
2. Yes that does place extra demand on the players.
3. That’s what he was recruited to do.

So,

If the club has cut the wage bill by 35m in one summer and replaced senior players with 18 year olds who can’t be thrown straight in to start the season. Is that still Ange’s fault if players start picking up injuries?

Also,

He has actually adjusted the press to be less intense as the injuries hit. That’s not me saying that, it’s been noted and shows out in our pressing stats.

And,

Vicario - not intensity related

Romero - was an ankle knock from a challenge then had a completely different injury after 3 weeks break. Ange even held back his return.

Richarlison - injury prone since he arrived at the club. Nobody in their right mind can blame Ange for those.

So really you could try and blame Ange for Hamstrings and of those, Odobert had hardly even played when he got injured and VDV definitely wasn’t being overplayed. Davies and Udogie happened as a direct result of the compound effect of other injuries and for Udogie Spence getting a ridiculous second yellow for a blatant dive.

Ah, I get it.

You are a strong man.
Just that your legs, hands, neck and core are weak, right :D ?

You literally try to use ONE game example when Spence was banished from playing at all for HALF A SEASON where Porro and Udogie were overworked? You cannot expect anyone to take you seriously, can you?

I do agree, some issues are outside of Ange control. Regarding Vicario and also abscentees of Bentancur had nothing to do with him. Also no issue with Richie - he was injury prone before and it was good he was not thrown in to start vs Everton, could have ended badly there.

Though I generally think that he was hired to achieve best possible results. I do not think that blind and oxygen-deprived running was a KPI in his contract. Neither was starting play as soon as possible in every situation. One has to be smart about these things. Ange game management is anything but smart.
 
Actually I would.

I saw ManU vs Newcastle.
Amorim fucked up with selection. Conceded 2 goals.
Acted right away, took off Zirkzee and put on Mainoo and it had impact.

From there on they were very much in game and LOT less open in defense.

I know perfectly well that Ange would have just stood there with grim grimace and would have seen us concede 4-6 goals with first half.

Also ... well... since appointment he has taken ManU above us in the table...
Also he is in starting phase, trying to instill his way into players. Not having had 60 games where results keep getting worse.
Also he is 39 so very much still learning and developing. Not 59 and close to retirement.

So in short - yes.
at this point I'd take Mr Bean!!! Ange is fkin clueless, makes Gross look like a world beater. Ange is the worst Tottenham manager ever.
 
at this point I'd take Mr Bean!!! Ange is fkin clueless, makes Gross look like a world beater. Ange is the worst Tottenham manager ever.
I'd take one of the Mr Men
In fact, I reckon we have a few at the club

Mr Greedy - Levy
Mr Grumpy, Mr Grumble, Mr Nobody or Mr Snotty - Ange
Mr Bump - most of the first team
Mr Lazy - Johnson
Mr Clumsy - Bissouma
Mr Slow - Deki
Mr Perfect - Archie Gray
 
I did say, I’m not saying all of them will go, however I think it’s naive to just assume we start next season with the same set of players if we keep letting Ange take us lower.
Good. If any player has played a part in us finishing bottom half, we’d almost certainly be better off without them.

Maybe forgive the teenagers, otherwise, I’ll drive any of them to their next club.
 
Bissouma now injured with a hamstring strain.

I am sorry but anybody pretending this has nothing to do with Ange is insane. The evidence is overhwhelming.

I have never seen anything like it at a football club, it absolutely has to be down to Ange's training and methods.

Anyone waiting for the injury list to clear up to give Ange a fair crack of the whip is just stupid at this point, because as we are seeing, the injury list is never going to clear up at this point. Under Ange we will always have around 10 players injured, if not more.

Whatever he has the players doing in training is completely fucking up our squad.
 
Good. If any player has played a part in us finishing bottom half, we’d almost certainly be better off without them.

Maybe forgive the teenagers, otherwise, I’ll drive any of them to their next club.
And to an extent I agree, but who replaces them? And given the market we shop in now, where are we shopping if we finish 15th or below?

You trusting Levy to not “balance out the books” from not having European money??
 
And to an extent I agree, but who replaces them? And given the market we shop in now, where are we shopping if we finish 15th or below?

You trusting Levy to not “balance out the books” from not having European money??
No longer trust Levy, no.

Doesn’t matter who replaces them really. Will they do worse?

This squad should be top half, no matter who the owner is, who the manager is and how many injuries we have.
 
No, it really was not.

I was discussing the upcoming season in office with a colleague who follows football.
I said that we had been absolute shit in last 1/3 of the season and literally everything was falling apart. We did not have leadership sorted and Son being captain is shambolic. We don't adapt in any way and in game management is not there. I looked at our fixture list and said that "My guess is that last season shitshow carries on, we will have tough fixture list and among it is pre-Xmas game against Liverpool. I am afraid we go into it with poor run of form, Liverpool destroys us at home. We are in poor position in league, Levy will pull the trigger and Ange can still get in on mall-santa-action with his big belly and beard."

Then the season kicked off. We got off with 1 win in 4 games (!) note that all Ange lovers (!) . With some clueless comments about "deserving more but being dissapointed". Then there was Coventry shitshow that we managed to turn around literally within last minutes.

Then fortunes turned and even I became bit more optimistic. We did manage to win 9 out of next 10 games across all competitions which was good. I was not at all bugged by losing to Galatasaray either - because we kept doing what we had been doing up to that point - lot of rotation, resting the senior players and giving outlet to kids. Like Lankshear. Who also scored in that one. I understood what Ange was going for, just it did not fully happen. There are such games, no biggie.

But thats when all went to total shit. Losing to Ipswich at home - absolute shock and monumental fuckup. Literally one of the worst results in past decades - to let promoted team get their first victory at our home stadium?!?! Wow. And we never really recovered from that.
OK - it was cool winning vs City. Cause they played in the way that suits our half-tactic. But that was it, since then ... I don't want to comment on anything at all. Southampton win was literally a cherry on top of pile of shit. And cherry on top of shit does not make it a cake.

In the end the prediction was accurate. Letting Pool score 6 (!) against us at walking pace at home is absolutely unforgivable!
But somehow since then we have managed to just sit here without doing anything and have become absolute laughing stock of European football. 5 points from last 10 games! For some, being able to win firs half in 180 min game and needing extra time against non-league side (for first time in century I think?!?) is somehow enough to keep kicking this empty can down the road. I am baffled. We need restart.
Magnificent.
 
Bissouma now injured with a hamstring strain.

I am sorry but anybody pretending this has nothing to do with Ange is insane. The evidence is overhwhelming.

I have never seen anything like it at a football club, it absolutely has to be down to Ange's training and methods.

Anyone waiting for the injury list to clear up to give Ange a fair crack of the whip is just stupid at this point, because as we are seeing, the injury list is never going to clear up at this point. Under Ange we will always have around 10 players injured, if not more.

Whatever he has the players doing in training is completely fucking up our squad.
And its not that Biss was running to the ground in terms of played minutes. He played like 50% of available minutes in Premier League. Didnt play 90 minutes in the league since Liverpool battered us...
 
I'm sure Conte can recommend a good saint to pray to ;)
How about St. Jude? He's the Patron Saint of Hope and impossible causes.

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Bissouma now injured with a hamstring strain.

I am sorry but anybody pretending this has nothing to do with Ange is insane. The evidence is overhwhelming.

I have never seen anything like it at a football club, it absolutely has to be down to Ange's training and methods.

Anyone waiting for the injury list to clear up to give Ange a fair crack of the whip is just stupid at this point, because as we are seeing, the injury list is never going to clear up at this point. Under Ange we will always have around 10 players injured, if not more.

Whatever he has the players doing in training is completely fucking up our squad.
Rich will be along presently to do exactly this. But of course it's the coaching, it's the lack of game management, it's the fucking dopey mad dash to get the ball back in play without being set, its the zero game management, . It's HIS ENTIRE TACTICAL ETHOS been saying it for a year with the same dopey wankers saying " But Liverpool press!"

#wedontstop

#Fucking muppet
 
Ah, I get it.

You are a strong man.
Just that your legs, hands, neck and core are weak, right :D ?

You literally try to use ONE game example when Spence was banished from playing at all for HALF A SEASON where Porro and Udogie were overworked? You cannot expect anyone to take you seriously, can you?

I do agree, some issues are outside of Ange control. Regarding Vicario and also abscentees of Bentancur had nothing to do with him. Also no issue with Richie - he was injury prone before and it was good he was not thrown in to start vs Everton, could have ended badly there.

Though I generally think that he was hired to achieve best possible results. I do not think that blind and oxygen-deprived running was a KPI in his contract. Neither was starting play as soon as possible in every situation. One has to be smart about these things. Ange game management is anything but smart.
Spence wasn’t banished for half a season. At least attempt to deal in facts. Spence was given a chance to earn a spot in the squad after years of not clicking with several managers in several clubs. He was the first defensive sub Ange made in the season, he also came off the bench against Coventry. Then he got injured. I’d say there was 1 maybe 2 games after that injury where I was thinking he probably could’ve got a chance. I think Ange was asked in one press conference then a game later he was playing.

Your last paragraph is waffle mate. You are just refusing to acknowledge that the club knew how he played football when they hired him and brought him to the club to do that. You really think Ange as stubborn as he is was ever in an interview saying that his philosophy was going to change?
 
Rich will be along presently to do exactly this. But of course it's the coaching, it's the lack of game management, it's the fucking dopey mad dash to get the ball back in play without being set, its the zero game management, . It's HIS ENTIRE TACTICAL ETHOS of being saying it for a year with the sane dopey wankers saying " But Liverpool press!"

#wedontstop

#Fucking muppet
Also Liverpool and other teams that press normally use triggers to press and target players. We quite often have 1 player press with no support. Our press even at its best has no coaching.
 
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