Management Ange Postecoglou

[Richard Arlison]

reggie Cant pick himself to play, Only one person that picks the team (the manager) he could have used both spence & Reggie earlier in season but he didn't thats on him
I'm not saying Reggie is the best LB out there but using him a few times MAY have stopped Udogie from being injuried THAT is down to this manager can't you see that

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Which games should he have picked Spence?

When he came back from injury there were 2 games I think he could’ve picked him, Fulham and I can’t remember the other one. Before that Gray was ahead of Spence in the rotation.

The revisionism on Spence is mental.

As for Reguillon, most fans had no idea why he was still here. If he plays now it’s because Ange didn’t send him to the u21’s like most other managers would. Remember when he played against Yamal vs Barca in pre season and faked an injury because he got cooked so badly?

 

[Dr Rocktopus]

Still my favourite season as a Spurs fan but the 91 FA Cup was a bit flukey. We beat the gooners in the SF but Forest in the final was an absolute result.

Before that the likes of the mighty Blackpool and Notts County.

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I'd have to think about what my favourite season was, but with 91 I do think there was something special about it being the first NLD at Wembley and how dominant the gooners were at the time.

Not the greatest quality in that team (apart from the obvious like Gazza, Mabs, and Lineker) but was full of heart and passion. Something we could really use today.

 

[Richard Arlison]

I'd have to think about what my favourite season was, but with 91 I do think there was something special about it being the first NLD at Wembley and how dominant the gooners were at the time.

Not the greatest quality in that team (apart from the obvious like Gazza, Mabs, and Lineker) but was full of heart and passion. Something we could really use today.

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Mentality of that team went with Gazza. He had no fear and would try anything against anyone.

FWIW I see heart in this current team. Absolutely on Thursday night I saw it.

 

[Zomb]

If a 59 year old with decades of experience in football still has lessons to learn he's not cut out for this level. It's clear as day the experience he's had up to now does not measure up to the job he's taken on and it's in his and everyone's best interests that we part ways, by the end of the season at the very latest.

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I’m ok with a manager developing and adapting based on recent experiences. I doubt he will be manager next season but I’m still open minded - I’ve seen changes in his approach (albeit under duress)

 

[BJK]

Considering how lenient they already have been with him, a LC win would surely secure his place here for next season. Normally I'm not a fan of deciding a manager's fate based on the results of a few one-off matches, but at the moment this club is not in a position to scorn such an accomplishment. If he gets the boot after winning a cup, and his replacement doesn't hit the ground running, it'd be a disaster optics wise. They wouldn't dare to take that kind of an unnecessary risk, and for good reason.

It'd probably end in tears by the way, a Ten Hag-esque early/mid season sacking being the most likely outcome. But if that's the price for ending the trophy drought, so be it.

 

[Hampshire Spur]

I think he’s the worst full-time Spurs manager of the past 50 years.

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Before my time but terry o'neill was meant to be the worst. Gross had decent ideas but ruel fox I think said he was too advanced for us with training methods. Didnt like francis at Tottenham. Turned us into qpr.

 

[Deuterz]

If we win the league cup, we’ll have beaten Man UTD, Man City, Liverpool, and Newcastle or Woolwich. That would be as far from fluking a cup as you can possibly get.

Fluking a cup is getting a friendly draw all the way to the final and winning a one off game.

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Chelsea under di matteo beat a very good Napoli side, Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

Fluke in this context doesn’t necessarily mean we wouldn’t deserve it. In fact I think our performances in the league cup have got the right results.

But if it isn’t accompanied by results in other competitions it will look like an outlier and won’t save his job.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Chelsea under di matteo beat a very good Napoli side, Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

Fluke in this context doesn’t necessarily mean we wouldn’t deserve it. In fact I think our performances in the league cup have got the right results.

But if it isn’t accompanied by results in other competitions it will look like an outlier and won’t save his job.

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Outlier if you isolate it from the league. If you combine it with the league, it’s never a fluke.

 

[Hampshire Spur]

Considering how lenient they already have been with him, a LC win would surely secure his place here for next season. Normally I'm not a fan of deciding a manager's fate based on the results of a few one-off matches, but at the moment this club is not in a position to scorn such an accomplishment. If he gets the boot after winning a cup, and his replacement doesn't hit the ground running, it'd be a disaster optics wise. They wouldn't dare to take that kind of an unnecessary risk, and for good reason.

It'd probably end in tears by the way, a Ten Hag-esque early/mid season sacking being the most likely outcome. But if that's the price for ending the trophy drought, so be it.

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Not sure its PR by board keeping ange as looks good they are backing a manager as in past ruthless and puts other managers off joining us. Look at nuno fiasco. 8th choice. Tbh I'm quite glad forest got thumped 5 nil yesterday. Dont rate nuno at all. Just puts loads of men behind ball from start and hit on break. Fuck watching that. Howe dont rate either. Iraola for me as next manager.

 

[Deuterz]

Outlier if you isolate it from the league. If you combine it with the league, it’s never a fluke.

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We absolutely suck in the league?

The only way I think he survives is by either winning one of the two big job saving cups (FA + EL) or by a league cup + general upturn in form which gives the board hope we have recovered and will improve.

I don’t think a league cup alone saves anyone, if we win that then continue to be rubbish the rest of the season this board will pull the trigger very quickly.

 

[Richard Arlison]

We absolutely suck in the league?

The only way I think he survives is by either winning one of the two big job saving cups (FA + EL) or by a league cup + general upturn in form which gives the board hope we have recovered and will improve.

I don’t think a league cup alone saves anyone, if we win that then continue to be rubbish the rest of the season this board will pull the trigger very quickly.

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I don’t think LC and bottom half saves him and I also don’t think it should.

I don’t think FA Cup and bottom half would be any different.

EL probably would be and I think it should be.

Cup double definitely would even if we finish 15th.

 

[Fattynomates]

Which games should he have picked Spence?

When he came back from injury there were 2 games I think he could’ve picked him, Fulham and I can’t remember the other one. Before that Gray was ahead of Spence in the rotation.

The revisionism on Spence is mental.

As for Reguillon, most fans had no idea why he was still here. If he plays now it’s because Ange didn’t send him to the u21’s like most other managers would. Remember when he played against Yamal vs Barca in pre season and faked an injury because he got cooked so badly?

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The fact Ange is having to play Reggie just shows how Levy has let the squad rot , I’d also like to give Ange credit for Spence , he seemed like he was on a trajectory of not making it at any top club , failed under numerous managers yet Ange has managed to make him a starter here.
Sure maybe he could have played him earlier but we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors , but whatever he has done with Spence it’s worked

 

[Richard Arlison]

The fact Ange is having to play Reggie just shows how Levy has let the squad rot , I’d also like to give Ange credit for Spence , he seemed like he was on a trajectory of not making it at any top club , failed under numerous managers yet Ange has managed to make him a starter here.
Sure maybe he could have played him earlier but we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors , but whatever he has done with Spence it’s worked

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Exactly.

I’d say most of the credit goes to Spence himself. It’s only him that can train and play but denying Ange any credit when so many other coaches didn’t get a tune out of Spence is just agenda driven bollox.

 

[Higgo]

We could lose 50 nil today and I still don't think Baldy will get off his arse and do anything

We are stuck with him for the foreseeable, I'm just praying we scrape enough points together to avoid a proper relegation battle

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Nah. If we lose today he's toast.

 

[nicoclaesen]

I don’t think LC and bottom half saves him and I also don’t think it should.

I don’t think FA Cup and bottom half would be any different.

EL probably would be and I think it should be.

Cup double definitely would even if we finish 15th.

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I think you’re spot on with that. To be honest we could win three cups and some would still want him out. I’m hating it just now but if Ange delivered those he’d be legend status. We all know we would not be 15th in the league if we never had the massive injury list.

Flip side is lose today and against Brentford then he won’t even get a go at the semi and Villa.

I do believe in how Ange wants to play in some aspects but he needs to change some of it or it only ends one way. Inverted full backs and suicide playing out every time has to stop. Look at city yesterday in how they win a game by going long. The high line is ok for me if you have quick defenders and pressure on the ball but we still stay high when there isn’t any pressure on the ball which is utterly clueless and suicidal at this level. Chelsea done it last night and were lucky not to lose by a lot more.

Fine lines in football and the next two weeks from now are massive for this club for everyone.

 

[Rebrov_Likes]

I don’t think LC and bottom half saves him and I also don’t think it should.

I don’t think FA Cup and bottom half would be any different.

EL probably would be and I think it should be.

Cup double definitely would even if we finish 15th.

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It’s funny how football changed. Venables finished 11th and won the FA Cup and was declared a hero and one of our greatest managers.

 

[AberdeenYid]

It’s funny how football changed. Venables finished 11th and won the FA Cup and was declared a hero and one of our greatest managers.

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Changes with the agendas. For years on here, all I’ve seen is “I don’t care about the league, I just want to win a cup”. Now? “15th in the league!! Who cares about winning a cup?”.

 

[Murphy]

Changes with the agendas. For years on here, all I’ve seen is “I don’t care about the league, I just want to win a cup”. Now? “15th in the league!! Who cares about winning a cup?”.

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I think it’s relative.

I think Ange has to go, but if he finishes 10th/11th and we win the Europa League it would be incredibly harsh to bin him - it would be the biggest success the club has seen in 41 years.

Win a league cup and finish 15th and although the drought is over, it’s a fucking shocking season.

 

[Richard Arlison]

I think you’re spot on with that. To be honest we could win three cups and some would still want him out. I’m hating it just now but if Ange delivered those he’d be legend status. We all know we would not be 15th in the league if we never had the massive injury list.

Flip side is lose today and against Brentford then he won’t even get a go at the semi and Villa.

I do believe in how Ange wants to play in some aspects but he needs to change some of it or it only ends one way. Inverted full backs and suicide playing out every time has to stop. Look at city yesterday in how they win a game by going long. The high line is ok for me if you have quick defenders and pressure on the ball but we still stay high when there isn’t any pressure on the ball which is utterly clueless and suicidal at this level. Chelsea done it last night and were lucky not to lose by a lot more.

Fine lines in football and the next two weeks from now are massive for this club for everyone.

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Agree with most of that except the inverted FBs. Our build up looks so much worse without it. Maybe invert only 1 at times.

The high line I agree but that’s recruitment. It’s shambolic that we went into the season unable to play a high line if we lost our LCB. We should be like Liverpool and City who can maintain their football philosophy regardless of injuries.

It’s funny how football changed. Venables finished 11th and won the FA Cup and was declared a hero and one of our greatest managers.

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Very true and also shows how little league finishes really matter if you don’t win the league.

Winning will always be remembered. 3-8th, even 10th or 11th nobody will care in 2 years time.

 

[Rebrov_Likes]

I think it’s relative.

I think Ange has to go, but if he finishes 10th/11th and we win the Europa League it would be incredibly harsh to bin him - it would be the biggest success the club has seen in 41 years.

Win a league cup and finish 15th and although the drought is over, it’s a fucking shocking season.

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What if we win the league cup, go well in Europa League, losing a tight semi to Lazio say, and get some of the inured players back and rally in the league and finish, say, 9th?

Would he deserve to stay?