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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
glacierSpurs said:
He 'indirectly' sacked the medical department I would have guessed, for not recovering his players soon enough. So it shouldn't be reactionary to do the same to him. He has been given time IMO.. The last two Cup games should be his remaining remit and he lost both.
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Medical department needed to be gutted regardless of who our manager is.

But it's not reactionary if Ange gets fired now. Domestic cups are done and the league is a mess. He made a lot of the decisions that had an impact on where we are atm and he can't complain if he gets sacked for them.

What would be reactionary is if we go in a completely different direction altogether and get someone like Frank or Silva. Then you have the question of the decisions the new coach makes and the impact of those decisions.

If we do stick to the path they have decided to start on, the new coach will need to be willing to trust young players and play front-foot, aggressive pressing, and attacking football. The question is if they can find one who is able to control games in the way Ange hasn't been able to (IMO).
 
Go on son said:
If that was a once off id say fair enough but its all game every game. I was derided by a certain individual when i mentioned i was an amateur coach. Told that i hadnt a clue what i was talking about at this level. That i was giving it the big one that i knew everything.
Even an amateur coach would not do whats shown above. Mental stuff.

That said individual hasnt been seen since yesterday. Will come back on in a day or 2 spouting nonsence
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Before I start I've wanted Ange out since Ipswich but as an amateur coach you would know better than anyone that you can provide positions and structure to the players. But once they step on the pitch there is fuck all you can do other than shout and tell x to get back or y to hold. I guarantee (as an amateur coach) you have seen with your own eyes players in your team doing exactly what you have told them not to do... would that be fair? I would also wager, same players have done it to you more than once despite repeatedly telling them to stop fucking charging up field and keep an eye on their #11. Sunday, Amateur, Professional... we like to think there is a big difference but IQ is IQ and some of our players would struggle to fill out their address when ordering off Amazon.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Medical department needed to be gutted regardless of who our manager is.

But it's not reactionary if Ange gets fired now. Domestic cups are done and the league is a mess. He made a lot of the decisions that had an impact on where we are atm and he can't complain if he gets sacked for them.

What would be reactionary is if we go in a completely different direction altogether and get someone like Frank or Silva. Then you have the question of the decisions the new coach makes and the impact of those decisions.

If we do stick to the path they have decided to start on, the new coach will need to be willing to trust young players and play front-foot, aggressive pressing, and attacking football. The question is if they can find one who is able to control games in the way Ange hasn't been able to (IMO).
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harry7 said:
We've played 40 games this season. Romero and Van De Ven have been available for 8 games together. We won 5 of them. Since losing them as a pairing; we've won 4 in 14 in the Prem.

Ange's inability to react as a coach - or having to play a 22 year old with an 18 year old at CB?
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Are you making an argument for Ange to go? Inability to react as a coach is clearly the answer here, he's had plenty of time to adjust, and hasn't. His results have been in freefall and getting worse every week.

Take a look at BJKs analysis above. They are following the ball around the pitch. Ange is coaching them to do that.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Medical department needed to be gutted regardless of who our manager is.

But it's not reactionary if Ange gets fired now. Domestic cups are done and the league is a mess. He made a lot of the decisions that had an impact on where we are atm and he can't complain if he gets sacked for them.

What would be reactionary is if we go in a completely different direction altogether and get someone like Frank or Silva. Then you have the question of the decisions the new coach makes and the impact of those decisions.

If we do stick to the path they have decided to start on, the new coach will need to be willing to trust young players and play front-foot, aggressive pressing, and attacking football. The question is if they can find one who is able to control games in the way Ange hasn't been able to (IMO).
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if we can't get Xavi then who would be your next pick?
 
Ive been Ange out since Nov 2023
if you have short term injuries I understand you stick to your style of play, but when its long term injuries to both CH's & your playmaker add in the CF, and your replacments CAN'T do the same stuff, SURELY you change maybe make your team hard to beat (5 in midfield) but no this guy still plays open ack door football, with players running about without (as it appears)any kind of direction
 
_mehstg said:
Before I start I've wanted Ange out since Ipswich but as an amateur coach you would know better than anyone that you can provide positions and structure to the players. But once they step on the pitch there is fuck all you can do other than shout and tell x to get back or y to hold. I guarantee (as an amateur coach) you have seen with your own eyes players in your team doing exactly what you have told them not to do... would that be fair? I would also wager, same players have done it to you more than once despite repeatedly telling them to stop fucking charging up field and keep an eye on their #11. Sunday, Amateur, Professional... we like to think there is a big difference but IQ is IQ and some of our players would struggle to fill out their address when ordering off Amazon.
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I totally agree with you it has happened. But thats Anges philosophy and system. He has said it. But it shouldnt happen for 18 months either. Youd work on it in training get them to adapt. Id be given the boot if i performed like that
 
Murphy said:
I’m sorry was it brand new information that we might play 69 games this season?

We played 41 last year and were equally shit.

Ange has only been able to field his top defence pairing about 20 odd times or whatever. He’s lost about half of them. So your argument doesn’t really hold much weight. He loses half his games regardless of personal. Because the tactics are shit.
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Here are some games where we had Romero and VDV.

Wolves (h) 1-2
Newcastle (a) 4-0
Woolwich (h) 2-3
Chelsea (a) 2-0
Liverpool (a) 4-2
Leicester (a) 1-1
Woolwich (h) 0-1
Brighton (a) 3-2
Crystal Palace (a) 1-0

Others like Fulham 3-0 and Ipswich 1-2 Romero played. In a nutshell we've been shit for a year. It doesnt really matter who plays, the minimal tactics have been rumbled and its got progressively worse. Of course better players help a bit but its clearly the system thats the issue.
 
Really need players back, if only to have a clearer bearing on whether or not it’s the injuries that’s the main problem. I have my own doubts over the sustainability of Ange’s approach, especially in the Premiership and with our ownership, but the Ange In/Ange Out thing will drag on until we can see an extended run and results with a more healthy squad.
 
Matt1882 said:
His positioning is where the fabled "double inverted fullback" is supposed to be though.

Our problems are so repeated, so often, there's no way it's just brainfarts from individuals.
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It happens too often to be that. Its what there being told to do and I just think it confuses the hell out of them. I feel sorry for the centre back and midfielders. Where are they suppose to be when we lose the ball and being attacked. Its suppose to be a fluid system but, how can you defend when there's a 4 on 2 outnumbered. I don't blame the full backs either there told to be up supporting the attack
 
OziBeerMan said:
There’s been 8 injuries since November, and the squad has barely been training since then. So it has nothing to do with the way we train.
As for running them in to the ground, there’s not many options when no one else is fit to play.

I think Levy will give Ange the season then reassess.
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Training includes rest and repair, or it should.

We saw exactly the same last season, early season promise then as spate of injuries, Maddison not being able to withstand the intensity and never the same player since. Van Der Ven succumbing to injury and it becoming profound as it recurred. Brain farts left right and centre as such Oxygen demand on the body begins to starve the brain (Romero particularly this season, Porro bless him), with nobody able to expel such huge amounts of CO2 this system and structure demands:

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We have a lacking nutritional savvy, but nothing that could make up for this insane load the players are under (excellent screenshots given over and over of our structure in game putting the whole team in an impossible framework to succeed, highest intensity in and out of possession for sprints).


View: https://x.com/meiaarmador__/status/1888727209101406542?s=46

To somehow say none of this is on the Coach is surreal levels of supporter Stockholm syndrome.

If the coaching setup are ignoring sprint metrics, that’s on the coach, if they are ignoring injuries and fatigue and still playing exhausted players that’s on the coach (the utter beaming red flag here is - Scarlett, Ajayi and Moore all scoring in Europe recently, when the first team couldn’t, Tamworth matched us, as our squad lacks all vitality required to allow their technical superiority to prove any worth, TAMWORTH).

Sorry, but you are on a hiding to nothing supporting this.

The only reason the (ever lessening) mass are still supporting Ange, is due to our history of failure and cull the manager when Levy and ENIC are seen as more culpable, yet this time we have a manager who is destroying asset after asset and jeopardising our longer term ability to recover as a group.

Time to move on, jettison the Manager and overhaul all the back room come the summer.
 
Some bloke on SC just said last night was the first time he's started to question Ange.

It's like letting your wife have four affairs and then picking her up on the fifth.
 
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