Manager Ange Postecoglou

[harry7]

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"It’s abundantly clear that the game model puts an excessive physical load on the players. There are a lot more stats I can get into with regards to accelerations, distances between zonal substructures, and recovery-related stats. Unfortunately, they are only available to the coaching staff at the club, but the metrics I have mentioned still prove the point objectively and conclusively."

Even if he has the worst injury crisis, who cares? We were shit before the injury crisis, we'll be shit after it. He had his whole first choice XI available for the run in at the end of last season, it was one of the worst spells of games I've ever seen from a Spurs team.

And his batshit style of football directly leads to more injuries. So you have to bake it into the model.

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To be fair, at the end of last season we played Newcastle (A), Woolwich, Chelsea (A), Liverpool (A) and City. All teams that have mature squads and are better than us; and fixtures we'd probably expect to lose in the first season of a complete squad overhaul.

Finishing 5th, after losing Kane and bedding in a brand new squad and system was a huge achievement.

 

[spurulina]

Adjust how? And when?

The last time Spurs had 5 days break between games was in November.

We are playing with a different starting 11 every single week, without little in-between to train. Tel and Danso played 2 games having not had a single training session with the squad.

Son, Kulu and Porro have been the only players consistently available. No other team in history had had this level of players unavailable.

We've prepared, set up and trained a system of play. To completely adjust that mid season, within just 2 or 3 days, with a random group of players depending on who is fit is pure fantasy.

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Ange isn't managing the worst injury crisis in history. Ange isn't the only one to have ever managed a team playing twice a week. Injuries counts are high for many teams this season, yes even Villa had their key players out in the FA Cup match on Sunday. We've lost or drawn to every team below us this season, even with a full squad - Southampton and Ipswich are conveniently forgotten - where have our high standards gone? Conte managed injuries (yes it was bad) and got the sack after dropping out of the top four while telling the truth in a press conference (it was hard to hear as a fan, but admittedly he was right).

How has Ange convinced so many that being in cup competitions and playing multiple times a week is a bad thing?

It's the whole damn point of being a successful club!!

Before Ange, we used to banter rivals for not playing in Europe and dropping out of cups. We bantered Arse for playing Europa on a Thursday instead of a Wednesday in the UCL like we were. What has happened to this club's ambitions?

Ange speaks and his disciples listen. Each new proclamation nullifies previous words uttered. Anyone calling him out on his blatant inconsistencies and hypocrisy is a part of the grand agenda against him. What the fuck has happened to this club

 

[spursfan76]

I don't think we have hired bad managers (Gross Neal, and Francis aside).

This "terrible fit" is often used and really means nothing when you look at a PL novice like Nuno and the multi-trophies manager's of Jose and Conte that have prior to us and after us gone and made a mockery of being fired form all the wrong reasons.

Let Munn hire the next one, and Levy sit back and run the commercial side, after all isn't Munn here to run football operations?

Watched Inter this afternoon, terrific side, great system and tactics and three centre backs who stay in the home half. Top scorers in Serie A and a manager who is motivating his team from minute one.

We could easily afford him and not worry on the least if we lost the ball in midfield. Super tactician. May never happen but he's done a great job on the fraction of the budget Ange has wasted.

Team works very hard, Iraola like in commitment.

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It was Munn who convinced Levy to get Ange. He bragged about how hard he worked to convince the board to sign him. So I think that Munn is as much of the problem now.

 

[harry7]

Ange isn't managing the worst injury crisis in history. Ange isn't the only one to have ever managed a team playing twice a week. Injuries counts are high for many teams this season, yes even Villa had their key players out in the FA Cup match on Sunday. We've lost or drawn to every team below us this season, even with a full squad - Southampton and Ipswich are conveniently forgotten - where have our high standards gone? Conte managed injuries (yes it was bad) and got the sack after dropping out of the top four while telling the truth in a press conference (it was hard it was to hear as a fan, but admittedly he was right).

How has Ange convinced so many that being in cup competitions and playing multiple times a week is a bad thing?

It's the whole damn point of being a successful club!!

Before Ange, we used to banter rivals for not playing in Europe and dropping out of cups. We bantered Arse for playing Europa on a Thursday instead of a Wednesday in the UCL like we were. What has happened to this club's ambitions?

Ange speaks and his disciples listen. Each new proclamation nullifies previous words uttered. Anyone calling him out on his blatant inconsistencies and hypocrisy is a part of the grand agenda against him. What the fuck has happened to this club

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Really? Show me 1 single club that has ever had an injury crisis like this. Singe game week 8, Ange has only had 3 senior players consistently available - Son, Kulu, Porro.

Since November, that have not had more than 5 days rest between games - No time to prepare whatever makeshift squad is available.

Teams do well because of consistency; the same core players every game with some rotation. Spurs have fielded 12 combinations of defence this season.

Fuck, City lose Rodri and their season collapses. When Liverpool lost VVD for a season they dropped immediately out of the race. We've been without our CB's, Keeper, Playmaker and Strikers - and expect the same performances from kids who have never played premier league level football.

1. Ben Davies (HG)
2. Brandon Austin(HG)
3. Fraser Forster(HG)
4. Alfie Whiteman(HG)
5. James Maddison(HG)
6. Brennan Johnson(HG)
7. Djed Spence(HG)
8. Max Robson(HG)
9. Dominic Solanke(HG)
10. Son Heung-Min
11. Cristian Romero
12. Yves Bissouma
13. Richarlison
14. Pedro Porro
15. Dejan Kulusevski
16. Guglielmo Vicario
17. Micky van de Ven
18. Rodrigo Bentacur
19. Sergio Reguilon
20. Pape Matar Sarr
21. Destiny Udogie
22. Radu Dragusin
23. Timo Werner
24. Kevin Danso(HG)

 

[Klaus]

Nuno was given no time, the team he has put together with a fraction of the budget is playing exciting, on the front foot football, and coached better than Ange could ever hope to do.

Ange is a 21/42 manager and sleeps like a baby each night, a fraud who when every player is back fit, won't nudge a win percentage worth a shit.

The players love him, only because he doesn't question a mistake they make.

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Not sure why you're replying to me that Nuno is better than Ange. I'm on the record all over this forum as thinking Ange is probably our worst manager in Prem history.

That said, if you think the football Nuno has Forest playing is "on the front foot", you haven't a clue what you're watching, or you have a weird definition of "front foot". Nuno has set them up to be defensively solid. They set up in a deep block and hit teams quickly on the counter.

They run the least in the division, both with and without the ball. It's not a style of play you'll see the elite clubs in the world playing and Forest will likely finish around 7th-9th, which is what their underlying numbers suggest. Still a great season, but let's not pretend he's reinventing the wheel here.

 

[spurulina]

Really? Show me 1 single club that has ever had an injury crisis like this. Singe game week 8, Ange has only had 3 senior players consistently available - Son, Kulu, Porro.

Since November, that have not had more than 5 days rest between games - No time to prepare whatever makeshift squad is available.

Teams do well because of consistency; the same core players every game with some rotation. Spurs have fielded 12 combinations of defence this season.

Fuck, City lose Rodri and their season collapses. When Liverpool lost VVD for a season they dropped immediately out of the race. We've been without our CB's, Keeper, Playmaker and Strikers - and expect the same performances from kids who have never played premier league level football.

1. Ben Davies (HG)
2. Brandon Austin(HG)
3. Fraser Forster(HG)
4. Alfie Whiteman(HG)
5. James Maddison(HG)
6. Brennan Johnson(HG)
7. Djed Spence(HG)
8. Max Robson(HG)
9. Dominic Solanke(HG)
10. Son Heung-Min
11. Cristian Romero
12. Yves Bissouma
13. Richarlison
14. Pedro Porro
15. Dejan Kulusevski
16. Guglielmo Vicario
17. Micky van de Ven
18. Rodrigo Bentacur
19. Sergio Reguilon
20. Pape Matar Sarr
21. Destiny Udogie
22. Radu Dragusin
23. Timo Werner
24. Kevin Danso(HG)

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Yes it's bad. Ange himself admits that his approach causes these situations:

Celtic’s season has been relatively injury free. This weekend, Ange explained why.

Last night’s news that Alistair Johnston isn’t badly injured and will probably be fit for the weekend is

thecelticblog.com

The medical team should bare some responsibility here too. Though weren't they sacked?.. It's so strange, sacking physios at the beginning of the injury crisis. I'd love to hear their story.

 

[vibes_guy]

We didn’t pay up for him and that was his own PR moment

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But I thought Levy paid managers well, so which one is it?

I think people need to realise that until we get back to being a consistent top 4 club again we won't be attracting the best managers or ones that are going to manage in European competition.

Guys of the stature of Marco Silva, Kieran Mckenna, Thomas Frank are the best we can hope for. I'd like Marco Rose too, but he's just re-signed for another season recently.

 

[koko619]

You can’t figure it out?
As in following from afar. From another continent.
You know, as much as some of you follow an NFL or NBA team!
The acrimony on this forum. You all seriously need some nice weather. It does wonders for your mood.

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well not long ago the nice weather and going out was killing ppl

 

[vibes_guy]

View: https://x.com/MeiaArmador__/status/1888727209101406542

"It’s abundantly clear that the game model puts an excessive physical load on the players. There are a lot more stats I can get into with regards to accelerations, distances between zonal substructures, and recovery-related stats. Unfortunately, they are only available to the coaching staff at the club, but the metrics I have mentioned still prove the point objectively and conclusively."

Even if he has the worst injury crisis, who cares? We were shit before the injury crisis, we'll be shit after it. He had his whole first choice XI available for the run in at the end of last season, it was one of the worst spells of games I've ever seen from a Spurs team.

And his batshit style of football directly leads to more injuries. So you have to bake it into the model.

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Yeah this is elite to be fair. Same issues persist with Iraola hence why i'm not big on him as an alternative.

 

[DJ Check Complete]

To be fair, at the end of last season we played Newcastle (A), Woolwich, Chelsea (A), Liverpool (A) and City. All teams that have mature squads and are better than us; and fixtures we'd probably expect to lose in the first season of a complete squad overhaul.

Finishing 5th, after losing Kane and bedding in a brand new squad and system was a huge achievement.

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We finished 1 point off Villa with a higher goal difference. Ange failed getting us an almost guaranteed Champions League spot. The only thing that has been a massive achievement was going unbeaten for the first 10 games. No manager in the PL has ever won the first 10 games and not qualified.

 

[Klaus]

How has Ange convinced so many that being in cup competitions and playing multiple times a week is a bad thing?

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Last year he was claiming that the lack of games was hurting our form. Now we have too many. Up is down and black is white for these idiots.

 

[Bazali]

You can’t figure it out?
As in following from afar. From another continent.
You know, as much as some of you follow an NFL or NBA team!
The acrimony on this forum. You all seriously need some nice weather. It does wonders for your mood.

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It still doesn’t make sense!

Casual???

FFS!!!

 

[Bazali]

Well I’ve been watching matches at 4-5am, spent $$$ on multiple subscriptions to watch, have gone to work on 3 hours sleep after watching a game, and put myself through the wringer of this forum, for a start.
But would still consider myself a casual fan.
And I don’t see whats wrong with that.
I would add though that the first and last thing I do each day is check for any Tottenham news. So maybe it’s a tad more than casual????

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So when Ange hopefully gets the boot will you still be a ‘casual’ fan?

Bearing in mind that the term ‘fan’ is short for ‘fanatic’ which I’ve been since 1961?

 

[spurulina]

We finished 1 point off Villa with a higher goal difference. Ange failed getting us an almost guaranteed Champions League spot. The only thing that has been a massive achievement was going unbeaten for the first 10 games. No manager in the PL has ever won the first 10 games and not qualified.

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I was Ange in for a long time, hoping for a repeat of those first ten games. Ipswich woke me up.

I've come to realise that we weren't actually playing the way Ange wanted in those first matches. Those first ten games weren't Ange ball, they were liberated Conte ball.

The way we are playing now is how Ange wants to set his team up. We are replicating exactly how Celtic looked at the end of his tenure when playing in Europe - like amateurs. In the conference league Bodo Glimt cut them wide open through the midfield, defenders looked lost and out of position, and dreadful passes getting turned over leading to acres of space for the opposition to find the back of the net.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I'm afraid he just has to go, like please.

We all understand the injuries we have had. The whole world knows. We all know he only has a limited number of players to use, academy kids notwithstanding.

But we can't be watching games which we didn't adjust according to our terrible situations. If we didn't have the personnel, how about we emphasis more on defending for now and play on the counter? Or maybe we don't even need to counter. Fucking sit on our half for 90 minutes and waste time. Because we only need a draw at Anfield and we would be in a fucking final, one game away from lifting a cup. It wouldn't be pretty, the games would be fucking bored, but if the results supported his claims of being so limited in numbers, we can all be shut up if we were in the final regardless of a bore 0-0.

The same can be done at Villa. Yet Ange continues with some half-fucked Ange ball, pressing without fully pressing from the defenders, leaving us gaping holes between the front and back. Again, we don't need Ange to count on his fingers the players we are missing, he knew we couldn't be playing as good without these players, how about we fucking abandon such play until they are back and support his claims with a smarter set up?

I have given him the patience with the league games as the leverage with the high bet of us not relegated. But cup games are one off and he couldn't make it count even when the league game experiments have failed for him to see and reassess. Honestly the fans are not evening bothering criticising the players when they were set up for failure with no game plans from him.

The cup games exit should be the clearest indicator of him that we have absolutely no adaption capability without a set of player playing so specifically his way. Even with ALL the players back, it will still not be enough - he's not going to get the perfect XI unless he signs AI. We begrudge Conte for only playing with his own type of players. Currently is no different and it is worse.

 

[bk_spur]

I forget if I have asked already but where are you based? Bangkok?

What sort of dickhead gets up in the middle of the night to watch Spurs lose.

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I'm squarely in flyover country USA.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Independent's version:

Do Tottenham really have the worst injury crisis in the Premier League?

Spurs manager Ange Postecoglou has repeatedly referred to the club’s injury crisis when defending his team’s results – so is it the worst in the Premier League?

www.independent.co.uk

Tottenham

Overall, it does appear that Spurs have had the worst injury problems in the league this season.

In addition to currently having 11 players out, the length of the different layoffs – and the importance of the various players – mean that Postecoglou probably does deserve some slack.


The starting centre-back pairing of Romero and van de Ven have been out since October, with the Argentine having foot and ankle problems and the Dutchman suffering hamstring issues. Both were rushed back for the December match against Chelsea, but neither finished the game and they’ve been suffering issues ever since.

Vicario has been out since the end of November, while another starting defender, Destiny Udogie, has been out since the end of 2024, and they are now lacking cover at centre-back after the injury to Dragusin.

In midfield, Rodrigo Bentancur missed two league matches through concussion, while Pape Sarr missed two matches this year with a knock and James Maddison has been out since the end of January.

Brennan Johnson has been out since mid-January with a calf strain, with Dominic Solanke suffering a knee injury around the same time.

Wilson Odobert has been out since September, while Richarlison has missed a total of 15 games in the league and was then forced off against Brentford last week. Finally, Werner has been out since the beginning of 2025.

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It's not really debatable is it that it's the worst injury crisis and at the worst time.

But his decisions during it have also cost him and his decision to recruit young when the club couldn't sign the experienced players he wanted has also cost him.

I'd also say that for whatever reason he made it, the decision not to put Spence in the initial EL squad has cost him.

 

[OziBeerMan]

Aussie media report FYI

‘Laughing stock’... or ‘village idiots’ who can’t hack an Aussie? Making sense of Ange ‘agenda’ claim

Laughing stock... or ‘village idiots’ who can’t hack an Aussie? Making sense of Ange ‘agenda’ claim

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[harry7]

We finished 1 point off Villa with a higher goal difference. Ange failed getting us an almost guaranteed Champions League spot. The only thing that has been a massive achievement was going unbeaten for the first 10 games. No manager in the PL has ever won the first 10 games and not qualified.

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People talk about the first 10 games, but last season we also went 16 league games Won 10, Drew 3, Lost 3. Certainly top 4 form.

We suffered 2 poor runs.

1st run we lost Udogie, Romero, VDV & Romero.. and were forced to play Davies/Royal at CB....surprise surprise 5 games without a win.

2nd run, we had to play all the best teams in the league, one after another. By this point, the players were knackered due to our lack of squad depth.

 

[Murphy]

People talk about the first 10 games, but last season we also went 16 league games Won 10, Drew 3, Lost 3. Certainly top 4 form.

We suffered 2 poor runs.

1st run we lost Udogie, Romero, VDV & Romero.. and were forced to play Davies/Royal at CB....surprise surprise 5 games without a win.

2nd run, we had to play all the best teams in the league, one after another. By this point, the players were knackered due to our lack of squad depth.

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We played just 41 games last season. The least out of everyone in the PL.

In the summer we let Hoijberg, Dier, Emerson Royal and Skippy leave. And replaced them with kids. Knowing we might play 69 games.

We’ve already played 39 with a potential 23 to come still.