Manager Ange Postecoglou

[septicsac]

Certainly looks like he is going to get chance at the Europa league to keep his job. We might have won today, but we were certainly not much better than recent games and any half decent side would probably have beat us. The same issues still exist, he continues to flog players like son and deki no matter how poorly they play, the same gaps are evident every time teams counter attack against us and his team selections and substitutions are baffling at times.
He may get the chance to win the Europa but if we are to win it we need to move on from Ange and the sooner the better.

 

[harry7]

they are not YOUTH players - these are young players costing plenty of do$h

Donley , Ajayi, Dorrington, Keeley, Lankshear... examples of Youth academy Players

not Dragusin we shelled out 30M quids for him 50M for BJ

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Oh, so the argument isn't that he doesn't play YOUNG players, it's that he doesn't play Youth Academy Players.

So, Ange is shit because he doesn't play inexperienced kids who aren't good enough. (We can ignore Bergvall, Moore to help if you like)

Got it.

 

[OziBeerMan]

Yeah, if only to get some relief from watching Son, Kulusevski or Johnson go through their bumble repertoire. Truth is, Oddobert is still a pretty raw kid, so I’m not expecting loads from him either, in terms of product.

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When is Solanke due back? He was sorely missed today.

 

[theyearoftheone]

When is Solanke due back? He was sorely missed today.

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Beginning of March so hopefully for first leg of EL.

 

[todd1882]

Yeah, if only to get some relief from watching Son, Kulusevski or Johnson go through their bumble repertoire. Truth is, Oddobert is still a pretty raw kid, so I’m not expecting loads from him either, in terms of product.

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So, TBC, you consider Son, Kulu, and Johnson as under-performing bumblers and would like to move on to see what Odobert has because the others are known quantities and you do not suspect, given the vast supportive evidence, that their fortunes will not change? Does that sound about right? So even though the young kid is raw and his performance unpredictable, you are happy to offer him the chance rather than repeat the same mistake of doing the same thing and expecting a differenct result...right?

If that's right then I'll just file that away for future reference...

 

[Robba]

There are many complaints about Ange from some, and taken in isolation many are fair enough.

I think his biggest issue is the poor performance against very beatable opposition. Spurs just don't win as many as the should when starting outstanding favorite. This has become the real pressure point.

I don't have a problem with gung ho style of play against equal or better opposition. They go man on man and his style is different and can cause big pressure for those wanting to go toe to toe.

It obviously is a lot less viable for those not playing for a win as first priority. His style thus becomes high risk taking for much less reward. The whole game to game dynamic needs a real rethink.

He needs someone who really is an opposition strategist for want of a better term. In the PL teams are similar but all very different. I think the bloke that moved to Birmingham did that job. I think he is a real miss this season.

 

[Deuterz]

Imagine Spurs actually winning something - anything - and then telling the manager he needs to go away and learn some new skills. Fuck me lol.

This is gonna be your best season in years and years and yeeeeeears. Embrace it.

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Oh look, a bold claim made by an Ange fan. We’ve not seen these before. It’s not like if all these claims about what he will achieve had come true we’d currently be sat here top of the league and nailed on for cup finals.

We won’t win the Europa league, just like we didn’t win the league cup or FA cup like the other clowns in the circus predicted. Both us and United, after our shit off today, will go out to the first competent European outfit we face. None of our wonky performances against Europe’s C list so far suggest anything else this season.

Why some of you lot still do the whole saying something will happen thing I don’t know, as after being so consistently and repeatedly wrong about it you’d think it would eventually get embarrassing.

 

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So, TBC, you consider Son, Kulu, and Johnson as under-performing bumblers and would like to move on to see what Odobert has because the others are known quantities and you do not suspect, given the vast supportive evidence, that their fortunes will not change? Does that sound about right? So even though the young kid is raw and his performance unpredictable, you are happy to offer him the chance rather than repeat the same mistake of doing the same thing and expecting a differenct result...right?

If that's right then I'll just file that away for future reference...

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[Engorged Onion]

Old mate Ange set a marker around 2 weeks ago that this match was the relaunch. And whilst it was anything but pretty, job done. Effectively he is saying, judge me and the team, when we have the players on the pitch.

For the punters on here who now whinge about the optics of this game, versus celebrating with joy, that we've done a double of Man U, you don't really get how hard it is for athletes to come back and be rolling 100% in their first game back. Specifically the pace of the game and then the continuity with a few new faces on the pitch. It's something to consider when evaluating the team (or any team).

Start to get continuity and the team will start humming...

 

[Jaynola]

I'd be amazed. A Europa win would give him a chance but we have tough league fixtures and are 7pts off finishing 10th as it stands. No trophy, no Europe, lower half of the table, no one survives that. Season ticket renewals would be through the floor.

Plus i think the issue with the injuries will come into it, these are multi million pound assets and if the feeling is his methods are contributing to fitness issues and affecting performance and resale value its not going to help his cause.

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Let us pray

 

[Robba]

It's not my opinion Spurs are favorite or second favorite to win EL. It is the opinion of the bookies.

Spurs have the playing talent, hence why people who have money at stake make judgements on these matters. They should win it if they put it all together. Of course doing that is a lot easier said then done. And of course everyone has their own opinion on that happening or not.

I've simply stated what I think should happen. And what the gambling money thinks will happen. I certainly wouldn't stake my life on it actually happening.

 

[OziBeerMan]

Old mate Ange set a marker around 2 weeks ago that this match was the relaunch. And whilst it was anything but pretty, job done. Effectively he is saying, judge me and the team, when we have the players on the pitch.

For the punters on here who now whinge about the optics of this game, versus celebrating with joy, that we've done a double of Man U, you don't really get how hard it is for athletes to come back and be rolling 100% in their first game back. Specifically the pace of the game and then the continuity with a few new faces on the pitch. It's something to consider when evaluating the team (or any team).

Start to get continuity and the team will start humming...

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And let’s not mention all the Ange outters constantly saying they’d prefer to win ugly than lose beautifully.

The bloke just can’t take a trick.

 

[rusty]

Old mate Ange set a marker around 2 weeks ago that this match was the relaunch. And whilst it was anything but pretty, job done. Effectively he is saying, judge me and the team, when we have the players on the pitch.

For the punters on here who now whinge about the optics of this game, versus celebrating with joy, that we've done a double of Man U, you don't really get how hard it is for athletes to come back and be rolling 100% in their first game back. Specifically the pace of the game and then the continuity with a few new faces on the pitch. It's something to consider when evaluating the team (or any team).

Start to get continuity and the team will start humming...

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So without the senior players we are not allow to judge Him ?
So he knows the second 11 players are not good enough, So why not change what you are doing when you have to play a lot of second 11 players ?

 

[dudu]

So without the senior players we are not allow to judge Him ?
So he knows the second 11 players are not good enough, So why not change what you are doing when you have to play a lot of second 11 players ?

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No, he should be judged - but on the situation.

The situation is he has been missing many of his best players and has barely been able to field a consistent 11 for months - constantly having to play with a different lineup means a complete lack of cohesion that only ever truly comes when the same players are playing next to each other and can learn each others game intrinsically. Add that up until last week, we were playing twice a week, every week for what - 2.5 months, with little recovery time and even less time for huge tactical adjustments...

Youre making out like there are 2 11's and one wasn't playing so the other had to... its really not that simple - I have no idea when we were last able to field even a close to like for like 11 in the league 2 games running.

Does it mean he should stay in a job? Nope.

Does it mean that his job has been hard - it has

 

[JDefoe]

Ange is correct that the injury crisis worsened our position much more than it should have been in reality.

What concerns me is that a) our stable level appears to be around 9th place and b) the squad and his management showed absolutely zero robustness to deal with multiple competitions, failing so spectacularly as to call into question any future success in cups and the league simultaneously.

Biggest issue with Spurs? Ange, just like Conte, is a once a week manager, equipped with a once a month squad.

 

[Engorged Onion]

So without the senior players we are not allow to judge Him ?
So he knows the second 11 players are not good enough, So why not change what you are doing when you have to play a lot of second 11 players ?

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My view is this.
If you're going to change your philosophy due to injury, then you already don't believe in your philosophy. Punters call him naive, but what is really going on, is he is imebedding it irrespective of the situation.

If you are the manager and you have seen the evidence, in other leagues, and against other teams (man u, city AND liverpool as wins) that the system works. You're not going to change.

You're also not going to revert to 'safe' just because there are injuries... Why? Well, whether you finish 6-16th it doesn't matter. Scrapping for a draw here or there.. is essentially meaningless. That is why he is not changing... it's short term pain for long term pain, and the average (and yes... i mean average) punter who is starved of 'expected' success - find it difficult to look at the long term, they want immediate evidence and success irrespective of context.

Ange already alluded to it in the press conference... it takes 2 years minimum to turn things around. We're 18 months in.

 

[harry7]

Ange is correct that the injury crisis worsened our position much more than it should have been in reality.

What concerns me is that a) our stable level appears to be around 9th place and b) the squad and his management showed absolutely zero robustness to deal with multiple competitions, failing so spectacularly as to call into question any future success in cups and the league simultaneously.

Biggest issue with Spurs? Ange, just like Conte, is a once a week manager, equipped with a once a month squad.

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Udogie, VDV, Romero were rested for all the cup games. We were 4 points off 3rd when they were available in the league to play and have had a 75% win percentage for all the games Udogie, VDV, Porro, Romero have played together - that's league winning form.

Sounds like they have done the right thing. Working hard with VDV and Romero to ensure those injuries are put behind them.

 

[dudu]

Ange is correct that the injury crisis worsened our position much more than it should have been in reality.

What concerns me is that a) our stable level appears to be around 9th place and b) the squad and his management showed absolutely zero robustness to deal with multiple competitions, failing so spectacularly as to call into question any future success in cups and the league simultaneously.

Biggest issue with Spurs? Ange, just like Conte, is a once a week manager, equipped with a once a month squad.

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Ummm, when everyone was fit we were doing ok playing twice a week - won the league cup game, our first few EL games and whilst not into the top 4, really not that far off in relative terms to the rest of the league.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

I wanted it to work with Ange but it hasn’t happened , I still want it to work with Ange as that means we are doing well, however I’m convinced it won’t get better. It could easily have been 3-2 to us or United and they are a disaster right now .
Just because I have no confidence or belief we will get the next appointment right is no reason not to change things .Levy has a strike rate of purely by chance hiring a decent manager about once in every 6 hires , he is probably due a lucky hire . That is about all I have to look forward to , that the clown hires someone who does well in spite of his idiocy.

I suppose I’d be feeling worse if we lost and it was raining , we won and the sun is shining so I am going to enjoy taking the piss out of the United fans . They too could have things worse , at least the sun will be out in Surrey for them.

 

[harry7]

My view is this.
If you're going to change your philosophy due to injury, then you already don't believe in your philosophy. Punters call him naive, but what is really going on, is he is imebedding it irrespective of the situation.

If you are the manager and you have seen the evidence, in other leagues, and against other teams (man u, city AND liverpool as wins) that the system works. You're not going to change.

You're also not going to revert to 'safe' just because there are injuries... Why? Well, whether you finish 6-16th it doesn't matter. Scrapping for a draw here or there.. is essentially meaningless. That is why he is not changing... it's short term pain for long term pain, and the average (and yes... i mean average) punter who is starved of 'expected' success - find it difficult to look at the long term, they want immediate evidence and success irrespective of context.

Ange already alluded to it in the press conference... it takes 2 years minimum to turn things around. We're 18 months in.

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Couldn't agree more.

Many of our players have come from teams that were not winners - just survivors. Relegation strugglers and mid table plodders. A draw against a 'top team' would be the highlight of their season.

Only Kulu and Bentencaur (and now Tel) have joined us from high performing teams where losing is not an option, and every game is a 'must win'.