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Mostly wrong said:
I must have missed the "changing of the guard" of fans when all the people behind the team when we finished 2nd in 2017 and reached a CL final in 2019 stopped supporting the club and we got this new batch of ultra toxic fans who aren't happy to watch us get humped by the likes of Wolves, Leicester, Ipswich, Fulham and Bournemouth.
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This.

We are angry because the average at Spurs going back to at least 2010 but arguably all the way back to Jol is that we should be in or around the European places. So 6th place at the least. And Levy for all of his faults seems to at least be willing to build a team that can be there abouts.

Ange has us 2 points off 17th and doesn't seem to want to accept blame for it. That's why we are angry.
 
harry7 said:
How many of our ex-players have anything good to say about the club? How many are Spurs 4 life, even after leaving? Bale always joked about his time at Spurs. Kane has barely muttered a word of support. Crouch considers himself Liverpool.

Meanwhile, you can't move for ex Chelsea, Liverpool, Woolwich, United players gushing over their former clubs.

Spurs still parade Ozzie and King around ffs.

If the players don't love the club, they aren't going to give all for the club.
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Defoe, Keane, Dawson, Jenas, Van Der Vaart even players like Mido consider themselves Spurs for life. Pretty much the whole of the Poch team. Over a long period of time a lot of our players have a strong connection to the club.
 
Crockett said:
The issue there is that Porro has cheated a bit on the offside trap. Mudryk is out of the play since he is way offside but if Porro is on the halfway line then Cucarella can't receive the ball either.
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The issue is it’s fucking embarrassing setting up like that. A good side would have took ten off us that night. No pressure on the ball means you drop deep. All you need to do is have a runner from deep and you are in on goal. Any player playing in that should have the balls to say fuck you to the manager and get his team mates to drop. Imagine guys like from back in the day like Bruce,Pallister,Terry,Carvahlo,Jan and Toby accepting that sort of shit?????????????????That incident there is the most stupid thing I’ve ever seen in a football match.
 
harry7 said:
How many of our ex-players have anything good to say about the club? How many are Spurs 4 life, even after leaving? Bale always joked about his time at Spurs. Kane has barely muttered a word of support. Crouch considers himself Liverpool.

Meanwhile, you can't move for ex Chelsea, Liverpool, Woolwich, United players gushing over their former clubs.

Spurs still parade Ozzie and King around ffs.

If the players don't love the club, they aren't going to give all for the club.
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Waffle

Especially Bale who absolutely loves the club and tells anyone who asks him. Give Bale the choice between Spurs and Real, he’s taking Spurs.
 
harry7 said:
How many of our ex-players have anything good to say about the club? How many are Spurs 4 life, even after leaving? Bale always joked about his time at Spurs. Kane has barely muttered a word of support. Crouch considers himself Liverpool.

Meanwhile, you can't move for ex Chelsea, Liverpool, Woolwich, United players gushing over their former clubs.

Spurs still parade Ozzie and King around ffs.

If the players don't love the club, they aren't going to give all for the club.
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Peter Crouch statement on how many clubs he supports now. After fucking off his boyhood club Chelsea.

“So supporting Chelsea after I finished was never an option. You might laugh but I have three teams.

“I imagine I’m going to take my boys to QPR when they are older, as it is not too far for us.

“The other two are Liverpool and Tottenham, the two clubs where I had my happiest times as a player.”
Plus as he’s 7ft tall one third of Peter crouch’s support is the same as two children supporting us.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Waffle

Especially Bale who absolutely loves the club and tells anyone who asks him. Give Bale the choice between Spurs and Real, he’s taking Spurs.
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Ramon Vega and Mido are always out there repoing Spurs too.

And every fans favourite ex player who loves us has to be Jamie O’Hara.

Loves us so much he got a job on the radio where he gets laughed at by a Chelsea fan every day - can’t get much more high profile support than that.
Poor bloke.
 
enfield1985 said:
Defoe, Keane, Dawson, Jenas, Van Der Vaart even players like Mido consider themselves Spurs for life. Pretty much the whole of the Poch team. Over a long period of time a lot of our players have a strong connection to the club.
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Problem is that those that have the strongest connection also seem to be the one's that lack the real drive to win things.

The Poch team probably found it easiest to build that connection, because the team was doing well, the fans responded to that and idolised the players, the players felt that and put in that little bit more, and it was a self-fuelling situation.

There were some though, Walker, Eriksen, arguably Alderweireld, and a little delayed Kane, that being nearly there wasn't enough for. They wanted out, other factors at play too, but winning trophies would likely have mitigated that.

It's those players that we need, across the last two decades we have had a decent enough amount of them, but not enough together at the same time. Think of the nearly overlaps of Berbatov, Modric, VDV, King, Vertonghen, Bale, Kane, etc.

Some of them missing each other was impossible to avoid, but often it was a case of one leaving the door as the other comes in Berbatov and Modric had a couple of games in the same squad at the beginning of a season for example).

Anyway, I'm digressing, too many of our players are technically good but lacking that real desire that will grind out draws from defeats, and wins from draws. When the going gets tough they retreat into their shell, and so many fans seem to think that signing one "winner" will somehow filter through to the rest of the squad. It won't, we need them throughout, giving that strong spine that every successful team needs.

As it is, we seem to take so long in acquiring that unicorn of a player that by the time we do, the ones we had have gotten fed up and left or want to leave.
 
nicoclaesen said:
The issue is it’s fucking embarrassing setting up like that. A good side would have took ten off us that night. No pressure on the ball means you drop deep. All you need to do is have a runner from deep and you are in on goal. Any player playing in that should have the balls to say fuck you to the manager and get his team mates to drop. Imagine guys like from back in the day like Bruce,Pallister,Terry,Carvahlo,Jan and Toby accepting that sort of shit?????????????????That incident there is the most stupid thing I’ve ever seen in a football match.
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There is no deep runner in the picture though, the only one that it could be is Gallagher and he is standing still and leaning backwards. No pressure on the ball is fair comment, from the picture it looks like the player who should be doing that is Skippy ... ?
 
WillWilliams said:
Peter Crouch statement on how many clubs he supports now. After fucking off his boyhood club Chelsea.

“So supporting Chelsea after I finished was never an option. You might laugh but I have three teams.

“I imagine I’m going to take my boys to QPR when they are older, as it is not too far for us.

“The other two are Liverpool and Tottenham, the two clubs where I had my happiest times as a player.”
Plus as he’s 7ft tall one third of Peter crouch’s support is the same as two children supporting us.
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Expecting players, who by the definition of their trade jump around from club to club throughout their career to only have one club that they root for is also a bit harsh.

Fans yes, we have one club that we stick with through thick and thin. But a player is bound to build affinity for all clubs that they play for so it really isn't that weird if Crouchy has some love for both us and Liverpool.
 
Fattynomates said:
I’ve never felt so disconnected from the club and been so numb to the losses , I get Levy doesn’t exactly provide an environment for managers to be successful but Ange is in contention to be our best worst manager of the PL era and that takes some doing!
The fact he is still employed is mental
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Agreed, he does not provide environment for managers to work miracles and win big titles.

However he has been here since 2001 (!).

And yet we are looking at the worst league finish across that 24 year period.
Benchmark is not winning the league, but if form has been shit for 60 (!!) games already then I feel this is pretty telling sample.
It includes times when lot of players are injured, but also lot of time when they are not.
It includes times when we had massive amount of games in short period to play but also lot of times when there was just 1 competition to be in.
It includes two seasons when he had full pre-season with the side and had chance to make adjustments to squad (like to buy THREE new full-international side CBs, 3rd top scorer of division from previous year, plus number of really promising young talents).

And yet we are here. All the previous managers have done lot more with lot less, let's be honest.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Agreed, he does not provide environment for managers to work miracles and win big titles.

However he has been here since 2001 (!).

And yet we are looking at the worst league finish across that 24 year period.
Benchmark is not winning the league, but if form has been shit for 60 (!!) games already then I feel this is pretty telling sample.
It includes times when lot of players are injured, but also lot of time when they are not.
It includes times when we had massive amount of games in short period to play but also lot of times when there was just 1 competition to be in.
It includes two seasons when he had full pre-season with the side and had chance to make adjustments to squad (like to buy THREE new full-international side CBs, 3rd top scorer of division from previous year, plus number of really promising young talents).

And yet we are here. All the previous managers have done lot more with lot less, let's be honest.
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Bingo.

I've said it before, but for all of Levy's obvious flaws. He does seem willing to invest enough for us to be in or around European places at the very least. Going all the way back to Jol that has been the average and thus what we should reasonably expect.

That Levy is by all accounts unwilling to push us beyond that is a totally separate issue to Ange having us sitting in 15th.
 
PointToPatrik said:
Expecting players, who by the definition of their trade jump around from club to club throughout their career to only have one club that they root for is also a bit harsh.

Fans yes, we have one club that we stick with through thick and thin. But a player is bound to build affinity for all clubs that they play for so it really isn't that weird if Crouchy has some love for both us and Liverpool.
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100%.

I’ve never played football as a professional for one club but I still have a soft spot for about 7 at the last count.
Collecting just over one a decade.

If I live till I’m 100 I might get to 15!

:dawsonlol:
 
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