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Management Ange Postecoglou
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If we had anything on the line in the league I'd be inclined to agree with you, since however bad Ange has been we saw the absolutely colossal downturn in form we underwent after Conte was replaced by Stellini then Mason, however I think Levy is astute enough to know the best available option to him once we crash out on Thursday is to bin Ange and let Mason/Wells take control of the team til the end of the season. There are 6 league games left of the season after Frankfurt and if Ange is left in charge for them the atmosphere will be absolutely poisonous for every home fixture, we'll be raked over the coals by the media for our continued inaction over sacking him (universally everyone in the football world can see he still has his job because of the EL QF) and the "will he won't he" be sacked conversation will dominate any discourse around the club until he is gone.
Frankly I want him to stay to the end of the season purely for the fact he will mathematically go down as the worst Tottenham Hotspur manager in history by any metric you care to measure, an accolade he deserves after how much of a massive thundercunt he has been to the fans for the last 12+ months, and the sort of unwanted title that could absolutely be an albatross around his neck when it comes to finding a new club in a serious competition.
Short of low season ticket renewals, I can't see any reason for or against ditching him.
Unless Levy can tie up the replacement ready to come in and that replacement can liaise with Mason now about trying certain players so he can have a look.
As in, hypothetically, we quietly agree Iraola will come in June, but from Friday onwards, he's in Masons ear about who to play, who to drop etc.
When you look at the comments section on the BBC it seems he is still very well backed by a lot of "alleged" Spurs fans.I think it's about time we stop being nice to the remaining Ange supporters.
Hmmm BBC and utter bullshit, who would have guessed. When's Hope Street back??
When we go out on Thursday, his position will be untenable for the remaining games. The place as Mostly wrong says will be poisonous and there will be very very ugly scenes at the final home game with him there.
Its a massive IF but if they were to somehow win a game of football away this week, I would still sack him personally. Semis start in only a couple of weeks so take the risk and get someone to take over but it won't happen til the bitter end more than likely.
If we somehow pulled it off which I am certain we won't, can you imagine his fucking face and chat if he 'won in his second season' again? I want us to win pots as badly as the next man but fuck me it would be torture to listen to the self aggrandising shite he would spout only to get sacked in October after ruining another league season and another few hamstrings.
I have come to dislike him a lot this season and knew it was the start of the end at the City game last year.
Its a massive IF but if they were to somehow win a game of football away this week, I would still sack him personally. Semis start in only a couple of weeks so take the risk and get someone to take over but it won't happen til the bitter end more than likely.
If we somehow pulled it off which I am certain we won't, can you imagine his fucking face and chat if he 'won in his second season' again? I want us to win pots as badly as the next man but fuck me it would be torture to listen to the self aggrandising shite he would spout only to get sacked in October after ruining another league season and another few hamstrings.
I have come to dislike him a lot this season and knew it was the start of the end at the City game last year.
I think that'll be one of the key driving factors for why he's let go early actually, ST renewals have been open since March 17th so we have approx. 1 month of data on renewals to compare with previous seasons now, I can imagine if those numbers are poor that will see Ange shown the door in an attempt from Levy and co to show the fans next season will at the very least not be the same as this one.
I'd be interested to know how our incoming CEO is advising Levy to handle this situation tbh.
Facebook, twitter, youtube, all crawling with fans backing him. They're extremely bullish too. And they sound oddly like flat earthers in how aggressively they push their belief. In both instances, there's nothing to back up their belief either. But they'll carry on with it.
I haven't renewed. I have no desire to do so until the final few days of the renewal window.
The difference between your posts now and a few months back is unreal. It’s like night and day tbh and I remember for long periods you talking about how sacking Ange would lead to Ryan Mason and how awful that would be, now it would be beautiful and great for fans?
That Ange effect is strong eh! Still, good to see you on the sensible side of things now.
Whoever does replace Ange is going to have a hell of a job undoing the damage he's already caused in terms of footballing systems and poorly coached players. More so if we leave it until the end of the season, we all know how Levy operates, there's no way in hell that he's already got a replacement waiting in the wings. It'll be a mad last minute scramble so that the new manager doesn't get any sort of pre season with the players and for 2/3rds of next season it'll just be used to undo the rot that the incompetent moron has instilled in the already average squad.
I very much doubt you're the only one in that boat either. I think a sacking before the end of the season could pull at least a couple thousand back in to renewing, and we all know what Levy does when he sees pound signs.
On the contrary, we have been told by Dier how little tactical coaching Ange actually does, I think you'd have a tough time "deprogramming" a highly systemised team e.g Pep's Man City (if you even wanted to move away from Tiki Taka, they have the staff for it), but I think a new man in might have an easy time coaching these players as they may respond very favourably to actual coaching. Several players went up several levels when Poch came in and it was clearly because of how much superior his training methods were to Sherwood/AVB, we were fitter, sharper and smarter on the pitch than ever before.
Those "I would rather lose and be entertained" people have been forcefully fed the realization that losing isn't entertaining.And for those of you that demanded "good football" even if it meant more losses
I'm having flashbacks to summer 2021 though. When it was leaked that Conte was coming and well got excited and renewed.
I woke up the next day to find out it had fallen through and we were moving onto Gatusso or Fonseca
And then ended up with fuckng Nono
If they're still wedded to the idea the football was bad under Conte, and this is better because....Angeball, then they have no business talking about football.
Yep. For some perspective the Gerry Francis/Christian Gross season when we stayed up with 1 game to go which is seen as the lowest point since relegation we got 44pts and lost 16 games.
I dont think some have realised quite how abysmal this has been, this level of shite probably witnessed only once or twice in our post war history. Still its been a handy lesson in which fans would most likely end up in a cult or get taking in by a fraudster.
We have to live in hope that Levy has learned from that debacle, frankly I fear the Marco Silva appointment could go that way tbh, he's doing well with Fulham but he's had unsuccessful PL stints in the past with Watford and Everton and is probably the least fancied managerial appointment for most people out of Glasner, Iraola and him, not to mention I'd say his Fulham's style of play is probably the most antithetical to how we are looking to play moving forward.I'm having flashbacks to summer 2021 though. When it was leaked that Conte was coming and well got excited and renewed.
I woke up the next day to find out it had fallen through and we were moving onto Gatusso or Fonseca
And then ended up with fuckng Nono
I think Silva would get a lot more rope with our fans than Nuno did but it would still very much feel like a "kicking the can down the road" appointment for me, someone brought in with no long-term vision to steady the ship and extend the search for the next "it" thing.
You needn't even use that qualifier tbh, Ange is on course to record our lowest PPG total in our entire 137 year history.
I would rather watch the most boring 1-0 wins you ever saw, the worst Mourinho Conte catenaccio park-the-bus-and-a-train-too football and compete for CL places than watch this...
I know it's weighted heavily toward a few performances against bad teams, but we're third in goals and are 15th in the table. Deplorable. Unthinkable
A couple of years ago when Everton barely escaped and Leicester was relegated with 34 points, this team would have been in a real scrap that year.
92-93 (42 game season) all 3 teams had +40 points - 49 for 20th place Palace (1.16ppg)
93-94 (42 game season) 42 for Sheff Utd 1ppg
94-95 (42 game season, 4 down) 2 of the 4 had over 40 points
95-96 (first 38 game season) 18th - 38 points (1ppg)
96-97 40 points - 1.05ppg
96-97 40 points
97-98 36 points
98-99 33 points
99-00 34 points
00-01 36
01-02 42 points 1.105ppg (spam)
02-03 33
Getting bored now. But at 37 points we're in and around it. In some seasons it's enough to go down. I'd say if this was a 42 game season, we wouldn't get near 42-49 points needed. We could play 50 games and not get it.
We've just beaten the shit out of a few weaker kids that hides the reality of us barely being better than them.
We've filled our pockets with goals in a select few games 4's and 5's and we've also scored a lot of consolation goals.
Look at the teams nearer the top, they have scored far more consistently during the season without a handful of high scoring wins like us.
Its not a choice between attacking football and losing over half your games or challenging for top 4 and 1-0 wins with boring football though is it - theres a massive grey area in between which is where we should really be lads.
Everything has to be polar opposites, right and wrong these days!
Everything has to be polar opposites, right and wrong these days!
You're right, but Matt is right that the goal numbers are misleading and this is why the league position in the end says who you are.
That goal total is heavily weighted toward just a few days of the year and seasoned with consolation goals, when the reality is we present almost no attacking threat against decent teams and in tight games.
Being still in the blocks at 90' against Tamworth is all that need be said