It's utterly naive. Laughably so, its been exposed as such by other EPL coaches for 18 months, and yet he naively thinks magically they will go back to not being able to cope with it.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Totally disagree...Ange has no clue...he fluked the EL and almost got us relegated ...Mason was a 1st class player who actually knows something about the game and the EPL and is not a total bullshitter like AP....I'm not saying he should be manager. I'm just saying it's Mason who's forgotten more about football that Ange has ever known in his longer life..
There..I said it...
Brazil 82 even by then other coaches worked out it was too open.
Worked spectacularly in 70 though..for football enjoyment that is in the top ten memories for me...
You're chatting shit, you don't like Ange but to say that Mason knows more about football than him is just pure and utter buillshit and you know it.
The extremes in this thread are generally hilarious, people doing way too much to get their point across - Admin should just lock all the Ange threads for the lols, at least we can all touch grass.
dude his cv is literally in the backwoods. i'm sorry, i'm not trying to be a snob or elitist but it's miles apart. it's not just about the prem and it's higher physicality. the academies and pyramids and the fa's and the entrenchment of the game in england, europe and south america is just on another level. and i completely disagree about former players making good managers. all the best coaches played in the best leagues. where are these top level managers from outside europe and south america? overwhelmingly the best managers played at a high level even if they weren't stars or world class talents. they were a part of football at the highest levels for their entire lives and that matters.
ange is a great story. it's truly amazing what he's achieved but his limitations are of his own making. a little humility would've served him well on the way up too rather than this obstinate stance that his way is the only way to play. it's sad, really.
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There are so many coaches for whom that's not true.
Whether it be the Jurgen Klopp-type story of a longtime decent professional in the lower divisions whose real talent emerged in coaching, or the Julian Nagelsmann-type story of a promising young player whose career got taken away by injury, or the Maurizio Sarri-type story of someone never involved in the professional game emerging late in life up through the semi-pro divisions as a coach.
Also how does Ange being coached by Ferenc Puskas play into this?
Yeah, i thought initially noone will care. But then i heard the chants at the stadium during Brighton match. And read some posts here. And felt that mood has changed.
Luckilly season is over. So we have some time before next match to make this change.
lol all those people you listed are european which was my entire point. lower divisions in germany are at a higher level than austrailia. puskas is again, european and it's ange's exposure to him that got his foot in the door. where are the austrailians or americans or asians coaching at the highest levels? ange is the top of that heap and he just lost 22 league matches getting torn apart week after week. he's aussie ted lasso and maybe we should just get a believe sign to tape above the door. football is life mate!
its a shame we didnt have another 3-4 league games after the final. he would of been done for sure then.
I just really strongly disagree with the notion that ones experiences as a player are relevant to their quality as a manager. It isn't true.
Coaching is an entirely different discipline, and understanding the game as a coach is an entirely different thing than understanding it as a player. It gets proven over and over and over again.
Ange also developed as a coach in low-level backwaters, so some part of your point still stands, but the "good head for the game as a player = good manager" thing is nonsense.
Would it even matter? It's all about emotion now, nobody even talks about the decision in football terms. It's a three year sentence, no parole.
nonsense? lol. just to use your two examples, klopp and nagelsman played in professional academies in germany since they were children and were deeply embedded in the football culture of a football mad country with history and infrastructure that makes austrailia look like a gym class. and you're also conveniently ignoring all the great coaches who were also great players. i'm not saying messi or neymar are going to be great managers but there's a reason there aren't any coaching greats from the backwaters. it's just a fact
i think another 3 defeats after the final would have sealed his fate much easier for levy.
There are mutiple reasons. Opportunities handed to the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney and going back our own Ossie are simply not going to happen to managers from that side of the world.
Its also a fact that one of them form the backwaters won the second biggest European Club trophy.
Oh also Ange out.
I actually really like Levy and appreciate all he’s done for the club. It matters to me that we aren’t owned by an american dividend rinser or a fucking country. It matters that we didn’t do a Leeds and spend prudently too. I also like the pop concerts and NFL games.
Interesting question. I think its shaped his philosophy completely. Postecogolou rates European football above all club competitions. He favours high scoring front-foot football ( 99.9% of the time haha). Playing with flair. These are all things that Puskas would have exposed him too. His father wouls have seen and like my father talks about the Mighty Magyars and the Real Madrid of that era (to this day). It would have been a dream as young manager to have Puskas wax lyrical about his experiences.
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