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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Love how he said in his press conf that wherever he goes he gets them winning again and after he leaves they continue winning. I’m sure at Celtic it was only 1 year where rangers won the title under gerrard. It’s not like they hadn’t won anything for years. Rodgers, Lennon etc all won loads at Celtic and Rodgers continues to do so. I doubt this is all down to Ange’s 2 years there!

Celtic were terrible when he arrived. He left Rodgers a strong backbone of players (including the PFL player of the year Daizen Maeda), and a squad high on morale. A lot more than what he had when he arrived here.
 
I agree, the best chance of any silverware next season is a good draw in one of the domestic cups, and one final game won at Wembley. But with this squad and our pattern of investment all we can hope for is going out in the first cup round I CL and maybe fight for a Europa place in the league. That's with a new manager, like Frank, Glasner, Iraola, Italiano etc. Keeping Ange doesn't give me much hope. I know he won us a title, but..
But this year before Europa KO stage we were 1-0 up v pool in first leg. 2nd leg we completely bottled it and were lambs to slaughter. What happened to the winning mentality? The KO stage of Europa b AZ didn’t start till March 13th. So why couldn’t we have done better v dippers to get us to final?
 
Celtic were terrible when he arrived. He left Rodgers a strong backbone of players (including the PFL player of the year Daizen Maeda), and a squad high on morale. A lot more than what he had when he arrived here.
Come on they one bad season but had won the league multiple times before. Even then it’s still a one horse race most seasons anyways. Whoever they have will win. His record in the CL you could compare to Rodgers. Ange’s record is crap.
 
I have the feeling that poster is a kid or something so I will stop making fun of him, but the irony in all of this is that Levy has only played himself by retaining Ange to the end of the year.

He should have been sacked at the first international break, but Levy didn’t have the stones, because “Spurs have sacked too many managers” - due to Levy’s own incompetence.

As the year got more and more dire, Levy displays the trademark incompetence again by not sacking the manager who he absolutely plans to sack, because we’re still in a cup, not seeing the difficulty of his position later if what he wants to happen does in fact happen.

When that manager backs into a trophy, in a very poor year for the competition and somehow winning a final without putting a shot on target, now Levy is in a very difficult position. And once again he does not have the stones to do what needs to be done. Obviously that’s sacking him, but if Levy wants to retain him, doesn’t even have the balls to say so. He’s dithering at a time when there’s no time to lose if we need a new manager, and if we’re to avoid another Nuno fiasco

It’s a crisis of leadership which ever side of Ange you are on, and would be comical if not sad.


Levy did he right thing by not sacking him, because if that happened the league would not have been recovered beyond mid-table at best and the Europa League would have been jeapordized. Levy was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

For all we know Levy already has a list of managers and made enquiries. He may very well pull the pin on Postecoglou once the dust settles. Its a big decision-why rush into it?
 
had a little watch of that, hes a football scientist compared to ange. i just wonder if frank has the charisma for a top job. ange is obviously a monkey compared to him when it comes to the science of the game, but he can get players fired up for the occasional big game, do you think frank has that ability too? i think you need a bit of raw emotion in football at times.

theres no doubt about it that hes a big upgrade (not hard). but i do feel we really need to get this one right now, weve got a huge lifeline here. the next manager has to be the perfect appointment.
Ange can get us fired up v farmers league teams like bodo sure. How about b dippers in league abd cup. How many goals have we conceded. Goons lost every game bar 1. This season at home everyone was fit but they did a number on us and Ange had no answer. V chavs his list 4 out 4. His record mostly terrible v top teams.
 
I wonder if Ange does go, when it will happen.

He's going on holiday tomorrow. They won't sack him whilst on holiday.

Does it happen this evening?

Or do they wait until he returns?

Paratici's return isn't actually confirmed yet. Munn is still here.

Going to be an interesting summer to see how it all plays out.

August will come around quickly so everything really needs to happen and be in place by end of June latest..

I would imagine if we were planning to sack Ange this summer, and we certainly have been IMO, I don't see how all those plans are shelved because of Wednesaday night.

I think we would have been in deep discussions with our managerial targets for a while.
Transfer window starts 1st June. We’ll be docking around not knowing who’s stating, going or coming both in players and back room / manager. Who’s gonna come if they don’t know what’s happening. I think his staying but maybe Munn is out which he should be. No right him being head of football operations what does he know. In two years what has done and has he ever been seen or heard?
 
Come on they one bad season but had won the league multiple times before. Even then it’s still a one horse race most seasons anyways. Whoever they have will win. His record in the CL you could compare to Rodgers. Ange’s record is crap.

What happened to Celtic in seasons before he arrived is irrelevant. What matters is what he had to manage. The entire club was a shambles and the relationship between the fans, players and club heirarchy was toxic.

Rangers lost in the Europa final to Frankfurt on penalties then, so its a two horse race. Finishing second is finishing last

Postecoglou never got bent over over 7-1 in the Champions League but yeah Postecoglou played too open and attacking in the CL,. At least great to watch, unlike the rubbish this season
 
But this year before Europa KO stage we were 1-0 up v pool in first leg. 2nd leg we completely bottled it and were lambs to slaughter. What happened to the winning mentality? The KO stage of Europa b AZ didn’t start till March 13th. So why couldn’t we have done better v dippers to get us to final?
we could have, if we had a different manager.
 
Because we’ve just won a cup and fans are mostly emotional idiots who are blinded by it and have now forgotten a year and a half of shite because we beat 16th in a final.

I hope and trust the club are not as emotional or idiotic. Paratici especially. Not a huge fan of him but he is ruthless and will look at the facts. This is not a man to lead us to consistent results or success at the top level of the sport.

We face our Ten Haag, Di Matteo moment - a poor coach happening upon a cup. We can make the same mistake or go and get a proper coach in. Or continue the year and a half of absolutely garbage and our worst finish in forever.

Di Matteo masterminded his club to their first ever CL title against Barcelona and Bayern Munich after masterminding an FA cup win + also got them up the league. By the reasons people give to keep Ange he’s a genius. That achievement dwarves Ange’s.
Manure sacked van gall after. Up
In 2016 I believe as well.
 
My head says he is out of his depth at a team competing for top 4/5 every season. He has a low ceiling & his level is more of a mid table team. He is a decent manager & without the injuries I think would have finished top half. But he has his limitations & I can’t see him taking us further long term.
My heart says he won us an European cup & it seems so cold to sack him. So give him until Christmas & see where we at. & maybe the momentum of the cup win etc takes us forward. But my head tells me it will be the same old with his limitations getting in the way. Then you throw in all the incompetence of levy & Enic & lack of ambition & it’s not looking hopeful is it! The cup win has papered over a lot of cracks. Plus he could sign some more dubious players who are quick but technically limited. Then it’s another rebuild & next season will be a transitional one for a new manager who takes over half way through the season.
But on the flip side I think any new manager will struggle with Enic & levy holding us back. Everyone before has so why would frank or anyone else be any different. Be interesting to see what levy does?
It’s the signing of players I worry about with Ange. I’m sure he wants Tel to stay and I reckon we will do like we did with turbo. Next week or so it will be announced. Instead of spending the money on the Brentford lads like wide or mbuoe or even eze who Ange didn’t wa t last summer.
 
But this year before Europa KO stage we were 1-0 up v pool in first leg. 2nd leg we completely bottled it and were lambs to slaughter. What happened to the winning mentality? The KO stage of Europa b AZ didn’t start till March 13th. So why couldn’t we have done better v dippers to get us to final?

Well, in the 2nd leg we had to give a debut to Danso and Tel, who hadn't even trained with the squad yet.

Porro wasn't fit to start, so we had to play 18 year old Grey at right back; a position he had never played - next to a CB making his debut.

We were missing Solanke, and Richarlison was only fit enough for 45 mins.

Liverpool had an extra days reset before the game.

Bissouma forgot how to play football.
 
Levy did he right thing by not sacking him, because if that happened the league would not have been recovered beyond mid-table at best and the Europa League would have been jeapordized.
That only holds if you think Ange was a positive to the Cup run. Anyone who's seen our performances over the last 101 matches should probably have surmised long ago that he's a negative.
 
That only holds if you think Ange was a positive to the Cup run. Anyone who's seen our performances over the last 101 matches should probably have surmised long ago that he's a negative.

Of course he was a net positive to the Cup run. He won the damned thing! There is absolutely no certainty someone else in his place mid-season or even earlier would have won it when 4 decades worth of other managers couldn't.
 
Ok, then how did Ange's experience manifest itself to do what Mason and Wells wouldn't have been able to?

No one seems to be able to offer me any actual substance regarding this.

I don't think I've been unreasonable.

Just looking for clear answers that make actual sense.

Nah, you're being obtuse.

We won. That's the manifestation.

And his years of managing and the cups he has won is the reason.

Youre being given the answer, you just don't care to accept it.
 
i think mason played at a much higher level than ange his entire life and knows the game much better. maybe he can't tug at the heartstrings and tell the squad to do it for your mom like ange but i suspect mason knows much, much more about tactics than ange. is it all tactics? of course not, but suggesting ange is some kind of wise old soul who's seen it all is ludicrous

Its more ludicrous to suggest Mason is and shows extreme bias against someone you have already show extreme bias against.

Your opinion on this means very little.
 
Of course he was a net positive to the Cup run. He won the damned thing! There is absolutely no certainty someone else in his place mid-season or even earlier would have won it when 4 decades worth of other managers couldn't.
The club has won nearly everything it's won in the Ange era, what little that is, in spite of him. He's just set a record for defeats, lost the majority of his matches, and has the worst record in general of any manager since Ramos or since the 1990s depending on your measure.

A replacement level manager would have raised all results, and would just as easily have been able to stroll through a competition where we faced no one on our level until the final. Which final was won improbably, once again, without our registering a shot on goal from our own feet.

No one can claim Ange is a net positive, there are two years of data stacked up to the ceiling that say otherwise.
 
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