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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Deuterz said:
Fuck off comparing Ange to Sir Alex or Jose. Holy shit. These guys earned their ego by winning leagues and champions leagues, not by finishing 17th domestically and winning a Europa League.

Of course they do lol. We spent hundreds of millions under Ange.

8th-14th? Are you ok?

He's not winning the CL or the FA cup or anything else because it would require beating top premier league sides and not 16th placed Man United. Wake up.
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It took Sir Alex 7 years to win his first Premier League.

Mason and co. finished 8th with Kane. We sold Kane and you still expected us to do as well as Conte did? You need to wake up. Ange never had a chance when he took this job. Frank will be in the same back to square one position.

Since when did prime Sir Alex or Jose have the 7th best team in wages in the league? Where exactly do you think Frank will finish? Better than 8th with Europe? Because even Ancelotti couldn't win a damn thing with Everton and I think he is better than Frank for managing an average club with European football and the Premier League in his first season.

If Ange isn't winning anything again with Spurs it will be because he is sacked before he can, just like every other manager - not backed with better substitutes for the likes of Romero and Bissouma as an example.

Levy is Abramovich without the wage structure and world class recruitment. Frank is a Nuno type appointment in terms of he did well at smaller club and we're trying to reverse engineer the Poch signing again without the adequate recruitment department to back any manager for any trophies.

Ange beat Man City twice this season, once in the FA Cup. He beat Liverpool once this season in the League Cup. Those are things he could not do in his first season. If he had his first choice back 7 fit and made the full backs sit he could get a result against anybody. Obviously a lot of that is his fault but some of it is not and I expect him to improve.

If he stays, I expect him to finally beat Woolwich next season and I expect him to do better domestically in the league and the cups. If it is going tits up after ten games, sack him like Ramos.
 
TonySoprano said:
It’s basically his own fault if he gets sacked. If he had scraped into 10th or 11th he’d probably be alright. That was more than achievable. Instead like a moron he just decides fuck it we can just give up every league game. Resting everyone and sending the signal the league games didn’t matter at all.

He sacked himself basically.
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It's embarrassing he couldn't engineer some draws against the bottom half of the table. As a quality Prem manager, you absolutely HAVE to be able to do that, especially when you are going through "an injury crisis" (even if it was of your own making because of suicide tactics and pigheaded unwillingness to rotate).
 
CJJ said:
To be honest, I think if he does get sacked, then it is because the club have seen through the bullshit that is the idea that he chose to not take the league seriously. He has been consistently found out in the league for the majority of the last 2 years, and it clearly hasn't been injuries or any other mitigating factor because we have been the same with and without a full squad in the league.

Winning a cup and getting relegated didn't do much for Swansea, Wigan, or Birmingham - so we shouldn't be so tin pot to accept it ourselves
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I think he/the squad lost interest in the league at some point but that says a lot about his ability as a manager to coach a base level which is high enough to win weekly without it needing to be a cup final for the players to track back and to give a shit. I've said it before but if the players loved him so much all they had to do was put in respectable performances week to week. They looked like they couldn't be arsed. Talking about how upset the dressing would be if he's sacked ... fuck off lads, bust a gut vs Leicester, Ipswich, Wolves etc and he'd have been safe.

We were absolutely abysmal at the tail end of last season when the league was our everything and just one or two more wins would've qualified us for the CL. Lost every single game against a decent team. And we started this season not being able to beat Leicester. Long before the league was a lost cause we were crap against premier league calibre opposition on a weekly basis barring the odd huge game like City.

The amount of excuses and nonsense chatted about this guy is crazy.
 
Lickher said:
I loved the Europa League run but if we’re being honest we had a fortunate series of ties in the knockout stage.

Do those who want Ange to stay actually envisage a future where the big man is able to maintain top 6 position in the league while also performing in the cups?

I’m sorry but even with the most rose tinted glasses it has been clear for about 8 months that Ange Postecoglu hasn’t got a single clue how to maintain any kind of level in the league or even string a couple of consecutive wins together. I’m afraid the posthumous assertions by Ange that the focus completely changed to the Europa League is both disingenuous and disconcerting. So he just threw the league? We were bloody lucky that the bottom 3 were so shit, in many other seasons we would’ve been relegated.

Thanks a million Ange, but I don’t trust you to take this team up a level next season. That’s what happens when you finish 17th in the league, people doubt your ability. It’s not crazy to think this way.
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Yes.

Did we play Romero & VDV together at the back for a single PL game post Christmas?

He sacked the league off, even the players have come and out and said as much. We can take umbrage at that but he won the trophy he said he would win and that got us into the Champions league. So the league position was utterly meaningless and will be forgotten about by the end of next season.

I back this squad with a couple of experienced additions and sensible injuries to finish top 6.

Now if a proper World class manager could be convinced to come with a CV of trophies and promised a war chest and actually provided with the signings he wants then and only then could I justify getting rid of Ange.
And I'd still rather have that as a backup after 10 games.

But for Brentford or Fulhams manager? No fucking thanks...
 
HyNdZee said:
It took Sir Alex 7 years to win his first Premier League.

Mason and co. finished 8th with Kane. We sold Kane and you still expected us to do as well as Conte did? You need to wake up. Ange never had a chance when he took this job. Frank will be in the same back to square one position.

Since when did prime Sir Alex or Jose have the 7th best team in wages in the league? Where exactly do you think Frank will finish? Better than 8th with Europe? Because even Ancelotti couldn't win a damn thing with Everton and I think he is better than Frank for managing an average club with European football and the Premier League in his first season.

If Ange isn't winning anything again with Spurs it will be because he is sacked before he can, just like every other manager - not backed with better substitutes for the likes of Romero and Bissouma as an example.

Levy is Abramovich without the wage structure and world class recruitment. Frank is a Nuno type appointment in terms of he did well at smaller club and we're trying to reverse engineer the Poch signing again without the adequate recruitment department to back any manager for any trophies.

Ange beat Man City twice this season, once in the FA Cup. He beat Liverpool once this season in the League Cup. Those are things he could not do in his first season. If he had his first choice back 7 fit and made the full backs sit he could get a result against anybody. Obviously a lot of that is his fault but some of it is not and I expect him to improve.

If he stays, I expect him to finally beat Woolwich next season and I expect him to do better domestically in the league and the cups. If it is going tits up after ten games, sack him like Ramos.
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Fulham took 4/6 points from us with Raul Jiminez as striker. And Calvin Bassey as CB.
 
Deuterz said:
I think he/the squad lost interest in the league at some point but that says a lot about his ability as a manager to coach a base level which is high enough to win weekly without it needing to be a cup final for the players to track back and to give a shit. I've said it before but if the players loved him so much all they had to do was put in respectable performances week to week. They looked like they couldn't be arsed. Talking about how upset the dressing would be if he's sacked ... fuck off lads, bust a gut vs Leicester, Ipswich, Wolves etc and he'd have been safe.

We were absolutely abysmal at the tail end of last season when the league was our everything and just one or two more wins would've qualified us for the CL. Lost every single game against a decent team. And we started this season not being able to beat Leicester. Long before the league was a lost cause we were crap against premier league calibre opposition on a weekly basis barring the odd huge game like City.

The amount of excuses and nonsense chatted about this guy is crazy.
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TBH I think they only love him the same way that most of us loved the teacher(s) in school that let us get away with doing fuck all in the lessons.

Anyone with that attitude can happily get pissed off if we sack him because we're better off cashing in on players who don't care about losing a league game
 
HyNdZee said:
It took Sir Alex 7 years to win his first Premier League.

Mason and co. finished 8th with Kane. We sold Kane and you still expected us to do as well as Conte did? You need to wake up. Ange never had a chance when he took this job. Frank will be in the same back to square one position.

Since when did prime Sir Alex or Jose have the 7th best team in wages in the league? Where exactly do you think Frank will finish? Better than 8th with Europe? Because even Ancelotti couldn't win a damn thing with Everton and I think he is better than Frank for managing an average club with European football and the Premier League in his first season.

If Ange isn't winning anything again with Spurs it will be because he is sacked before he can, just like every other manager - not backed with better substitutes for the likes of Romero and Bissouma as an example.

Levy is Abramovich without the wage structure and world class recruitment. Frank is a Nuno type appointment in terms of he did well at smaller club and we're trying to reverse engineer the Poch signing again without the adequate recruitment department to back any manager for any trophies.

Ange beat Man City twice this season, once in the FA Cup. He beat Liverpool once this season in the League Cup. Those are things he could not do in his first season. If he had his first choice back 7 fit and made the full backs sit he could get a result against anybody. Obviously a lot of that is his fault but some of it is not and I expect him to improve.

If he stays, I expect him to finally beat Woolwich next season and I expect him to do better domestically in the league and the cups. If it is going tits up after ten games, sack him like Ramos.
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Ange re-invested the Kane money. He's had about 400 million spent on players since he joined. We had no European football first season and we started with huge momentum, after we lost that bounce it turned to absolute shit and he's never been able to re-discover any long term momentum. Of course he had a chance, the idea Spurs is some poisoned, impossible chalice is a nonsense and always has been. We are similar in wealth/profile to Woolwich.

Everton are miles below us in terms of overall squad quality, why are you comparing us to these teams? Frank can finish top 6, but he can keep building from there like Pochettino did. We need a stable, up and coming coach, not an egomaniac who will throw away the league.

Fucking bullshit. He won't win anything again with Spurs because he won't be playing in the EL or the conference where even West Ham can be trophy winners.

Frank is a significantly more talented coach than Nuno. Again he's not my first, second or even third choice but he is an intelligent coach with a proven record of getting a premier league club to punch above its weight consistently. Ange would not keep Brentford in this league.

Lol yeah he "beat" Liverpool in the league cup in a first leg then lost the second 4-0. He also finished 17th, lost to Ipswich and Leicester at home, and had us only above promoted teams. And in what world could he get a result against "anyone" ?? Why do Ange fans just make shit up. Because we parked a bus and won against Man United we could do it against anybody??? Why didn't he do it against Woolwich, Liverpool, Chelsea then - all of whom we gave 18 points to.

You expect wrong then. No reason to think that a guy who was overwhelmed by Europa (a competition where 2/3 of our knockout ties were Az Alkmaar and Bodo, and our group stage included half of Eastern Europe) could manage the CL and the league. Just blind faith and hope from you.
 
JDefoe said:
I would argue keeping Ange is not even a punt, it’s a near guarantee we will be out of European spots this time next year.
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The only way Ange can hope to compete in CL and Prem is if he's playing with PSG or RM level spending power. And I still don't think his tactics would work. He could never engineer a team playing as brilliantly as Enrique did PSG yesterday, even if he did have unlimited money.
 
bk_spur said:
Then refute it if its so fucking easy and shit.
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Why don't you actually look at the teams Ange put out in the back end of the season and actually use that loaf on your shoulders instead?

I'm fairly confident that no other team in the league started with both its first choice centre backs out for more than 50% of the season. And that's just the one position I deigned to mention.

Look at the lineups from about Feb-Mar onward, look at the injuries, look at European fixtures and the lineups he fielded around the same time. And then come back here and tell me with a straight face that he didn't sack off the league.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
He sacked the league off, even the players have come and out and said as much.
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Fucking hell...

A disgraceful thing for any competitive team to admit, let alone one of the ten richest clubs on the planet, who have invested 400 million in to the coach. Sacking the entire league off because otherwise we couldn't possible manage our way past Frankfurt, Bodo and AZ to a final? What the hell does this say about Ange if he needs to do that to achieve those results?!

It's nonsense anyway. The players & coach can pretend we were shit in the league because they didn't try but it's just a load of cope from them. No top level players are just not giving a shit for premier league games and it was clear how furious Ange was in loads of matches in the league. We were absolutely diabolical in the league long before winning the Europa became our last hope anyway, it's just pure bullshit excuses pretending we can just turn on or off winning in the league.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Yes.

Did we play Romero & VDV together at the back for a single PL game post Christmas?

He sacked the league off, even the players have come and out and said as much. We can take umbrage at that but he won the trophy he said he would win and that got us into the Champions league. So the league position was utterly meaningless and will be forgotten about by the end of next season.

I back this squad with a couple of experienced additions and sensible injuries to finish top 6.

Now if a proper World class manager could be convinced to come with a CV of trophies and promised a war chest and actually provided with the signings he wants then and only then could I justify getting rid of Ange.
And I'd still rather have that as a backup after 10 games.

But for Brentford or Fulhams manager? No fucking thanks...
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I just don’t see any evidence from this season that provides the basis for anything other than Ange just being a fairly clueless manager that had a great and blessed cup run.

He played suicidal football for most of the season with almost no patterns of play or solidity which was a disaster and we were shipping an eye watering amount of goals. He then ditched whatever his alleged footballing principles are for a ‘style’ of football which was worse than the worst of Mourinho and somehow still lost matches week on week.

We narrowly beat Frankfurt, beat a Norwegian side, and then served up one of the most turgid European finals I have seen along with that United team who are an even bigger disaster.

I will be eternally grateful for Ange winning the Europa League but there is no evidence that he won’t be serving up similar dross next season. Even in an u likely world with Micky and Cuti consistently starting, the problem has been in midfield and attack this season, with the players looking completely and utterly clueless for a long time and that is down to Ange’s setup and training.
 
SpursDNA said:
Your email was full of good points and I agree with all of it … Except on the above, I respectfully disagree.

I think Levy is going to the next level on real estate spending - Land cost is a relatively small part of the cost of developing real estate particularly for high rise buildings.

Levy has just start construction on his first high rise (the hotel) - and is in the process of getting planning approvals for residential towers. So I think real estate spending is about to spike - It’s why the bald cunt is slashing the wage bill and said there will be limited future spend on transfers. He needs money for construction costs …unfortunately, this is something new.
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It's not new though. The club started buying land for the stadium build nearly 2 decades ago. None of the funds generated by the club go into any land acquisitions or building.

To caveat that though, the funds for any builds done are borrowed against the value of assets so, in a way, the club does essentially fund the builds, just indirectly.

It has been proven time and time again that ENIC do not take money out of the club to fund developments outside of the club itself.
 
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