Manure hammered Bilbao, the fourth best team in La Liga. They are no mugs. Should he have gone for a second, which is exactly what Postecoglou has been heavily criticized with a makeshift midfield? Result says no.
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Manure hammered Bilbao, the fourth best team in La Liga. They are no mugs. Should he have gone for a second, which is exactly what Postecoglou has been heavily criticized with a makeshift midfield? Result says no.
United's win rate in the league under Amorim is 29% .. people bring up how bad our form was etc and then you look at who we played and it was equally as diabolical.
Both teams in that final stunk.
It's because they think celebrating this somehow undermines their argument about changing the manager (which is doesn't but they're frail creatures).i'm not talking about the Ange in Ange out debate, that's boring to me.
I'm just amused how spurs fans love to diminish us winning our 1st European trophy since before i was born, only our 4th in the clubs very long history just because they hate the guy basically. it's silly
enjoy it, there's a good chance alot of us will be dead the next time it happens
It's incredibly sad for them but I do wish they'd fuck off and support the Chavs or something. It's just exhausting now...
What does this have to do with whether we keep Ange?
Utterly dreadful all season, and frankly bad in the final but luckily we played a team right next to us in the league for being awful, so we survived.
That final was the worst quality affair I've ever seen in a final. Of course it doesn't matter because we won, it got us CL and its in the history books but to pretend otherwise and justify keeping the coach who "masterminded" that is ludicrous. He's delivered bad football for so long.
The reason we should part ways with him is because of the League and has zero to do with being able to get us over the line in a final.
That is maybe the only single reason to keep him?
What are you going on about in here, mate???
Ange played the final perfect. We were without Maddison (who is a much better all round footballer than Bruno), Kulusevski and Bergvall. All our creative players out and Maddison and Bergvall the players who can control a game injured.
Think of United without Bruno, Amad and Garnacho, zero creativity. We had to adjust to a more reactive and physical style to get over the line.
The final was fine. It’s the awful league form when we did have the likes of Maddison and Bergvall available that is concerning.
Think of United without Bruno, Amad and Garnacho, zero creativity. We had to adjust to a more reactive and physical style to get over the line.
The final was fine. It’s the awful league form when we did have the likes of Maddison and Bergvall available that is concerning.
It's not a credible win if we didn't out perform them for xg and touches in the box I'm learning in this thread.
They didn't even win their own farmers league that season and are basically the only team in it.
Compared to Man Utd they are minnows, as are most teams in the world.
No, you're fundemantally misunderstanding my point. Any Poch side would have probably beaten Man U in that final. Cups are about the luck of the draw, and neither Harry or Poch got through a whole cup run without playing a top side.
I jumped up and down, screamed, hugged my son, got mad drunk, 3 hours sleep, took the afternoon off work to come down to the parade and celebrated the result just like I'm sure 99% of this forum did - but trying to be rational and objective about it, the overall performance was bad. We got away with it because Man Utd are a clusterfuck and because Mickey has long legs.
We have been playing badly since December 2023. I'm over the moon we won the EL but sentimentality over that doesn't mean we should ignore everything else, and giving Ange the credit actually takes away from the players in that final.
The only thing that mattered that night was winning it.
In the cold light of day you can sit and evaluate it if you want to. Doesn’t change the result.
Although we seem to have won more possession and made more passes this week than the uefa site showed last week. Which is weird.
And the fact will always remain that Ange Postecoglou won a trophy in his second season. Just like he said.
Bearing that in mind the best thing we can do for everyone is that when we do sack him, put in a clause he can’t manage any other premier league club.
Be shooting ourselves in the foot if he went to Woolwich.
We've played plenty of good football in semis and finals and come away with fuck all. To win it in that way was a pretty good fuck you to man utd as well.
We all know that way of playing isn't sustainable, look at Jose, look at conte, it worked great until it didn't and then we were just terrible. It's not pretty but cup competitions is all about the results and getting through. Nothing else matters.
The league is where you're really judged. And look at that. We've had over a year of dreadful form, no matter the mitigating circumstances, the manager hasn't looked like being able to change that at all. Winning the Europa doesn't change that for me. I see why it does for others, but I'm not sold on giving him another year
We all know that way of playing isn't sustainable, look at Jose, look at conte, it worked great until it didn't and then we were just terrible. It's not pretty but cup competitions is all about the results and getting through. Nothing else matters.
The league is where you're really judged. And look at that. We've had over a year of dreadful form, no matter the mitigating circumstances, the manager hasn't looked like being able to change that at all. Winning the Europa doesn't change that for me. I see why it does for others, but I'm not sold on giving him another year
I've been critical of him, but he got the tactics just right in the final – just like he did away at Frankfurt.
We had no creative players, so we deliberately tried to make it a war of attrition. We kept making niggly little fouls all game to stop United building any sort of momentum and to wind up a few of their players (Fernandes, Maguire). This played totally into our hands. I also think the video by Adam Clery showed that the goal was a typical goal for United to concede because dragged their defenders out of position with movement in and around the box. It looked like something we worked on in training.
Bringing on Danso at just the right time was a good sub. Amorim, on the other hand, got his subs completely wrong. Garnacho with only 20 mins – bad. Mainoo on 90 mins – stupid.
If we had conceded first, we were toast.
If they had equalised, we were toast.
You can definitely beat Ange with the 22 defeats stick (that simply isn't good enough), but I don't think you can say anything critical about the Europa League win. In fact, if we were judging him along on those performances, we wouldn't even be having the debate about his job right now. He actually showed flexibility, resilience, grit, gamesmanship etc in those games – all the stuff that we didn't see in the league.
Also, we won the final, so who gives a fuck?
We had no creative players, so we deliberately tried to make it a war of attrition. We kept making niggly little fouls all game to stop United building any sort of momentum and to wind up a few of their players (Fernandes, Maguire). This played totally into our hands. I also think the video by Adam Clery showed that the goal was a typical goal for United to concede because dragged their defenders out of position with movement in and around the box. It looked like something we worked on in training.
Bringing on Danso at just the right time was a good sub. Amorim, on the other hand, got his subs completely wrong. Garnacho with only 20 mins – bad. Mainoo on 90 mins – stupid.
If we had conceded first, we were toast.
If they had equalised, we were toast.
You can definitely beat Ange with the 22 defeats stick (that simply isn't good enough), but I don't think you can say anything critical about the Europa League win. In fact, if we were judging him along on those performances, we wouldn't even be having the debate about his job right now. He actually showed flexibility, resilience, grit, gamesmanship etc in those games – all the stuff that we didn't see in the league.
Also, we won the final, so who gives a fuck?
Sad that this has to be pointed out.
Nothing?
Well this is the Ange Postecoglou thread. Not the let's celebrate winning a european cup thread. This thread is for discussing the coach, and mostly notably the fact that it seems the club is making a decision on whether he should stay. Recognising the performance in the final was not particularly good or that Amorim has been equally bad as Ange is just part of the discussion on whether he should stay.
It doesn't diminish winning the EL or stop anyone enjoying winning it.
Then we're agreed? Not sure why you're challenging me, if anything.
But I'd say the form in the league was diabolical for 18 months and the performance in the final is a very, very poor reason to keep him. Not miles apart.
They had great players like Enzo Scifo and Morten Olson, it really isnt like now where every good player is playing for the same 7 or 8 teams in Europe. They were fucking miles better than this current Utd team.
The people planning on sticking around for next season and hoping to be able to watch us and be at least relatively happy on a weekend for 38 weeks of the year???
I'm not sure these two points stack up.
Try again
| Third round | 2 January 2010 | Peterborough United | H | 4–0 | Kranjčar 35', 57', Defoe 70', Keane 90+5' (pen) | 35,862 |
| Fourth round | 23 January 2010 | Leeds United | H | 2–2 | Crouch 42', Pavlyuchenko 75' | 35,750 |
| Fourth round replay | 3 February 2010 | Leeds United | A | 1–3 | Defoe 37', 73', 90' | 37,704 |
| Fifth round | 14 February 2010 | Bolton Wanderers | A | 1–1 | Defoe 61' | 13,596 |
| Fifth round replay | 24 February 2010 | Bolton Wanderers | H | 4–0 | Pavlyuchenko 23', 87', Jääskeläinen 35' (o.g.), O'Brien 47' (o.g.) | 31,436 |
| Sixth round | 6 March 2010 | Fulham | A | 0–0 | 24,533 | |
| Sixth round replay | 24 March 2010 | Fulham | H | 3–1 | Bentley 47', Pavlyuchenko 60', Guðjohnsen 66' | 35,432 |
| Semi-final | 11 April 2010 | Portsmouth | N | 0–2 | LOSER | 84,602 |
Sorry, I meant "who gives a fuck about how we played in the final" – not "who gives a fuck whether we lost 22 games". I think we all care about the latter.