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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Not sure why people are dumping on the way we played in the final. The way played in the final is not an issue. We played with the cards we dealt on the day. It's the league results that are the issue.
Can't deny that.
I was unimpressed with our use of the ball though. Felt like 90 minutes of us just hoofing it back to them, one occasion we played a few passes in midfield and Solanke (from Udogie) could have been clear on goal but for a poor touch.
The midfielders on the pitch should have been more than capable of making a few composed passes and retaining possession, without having to be Zidane about it.
I too can make a long list of not very creative players and point out they aren't Zidane but I'm not sure what your point is other than to highlight just how much fucking work we need to do in the Transfer market whoever the next manager is.
European Trophies won by a Spurs manager not named Ange Postecoglou in the last 40 years - 0
Amazing stat. Our last two trophies before the EL win were helmed by Juande Ramos and the worst football I've seen us play in 40 years under George Graham. Obviously both club legends thanks to their incredible managerial job at Spurs, right? Madness to sack them.
It's fucking incredible, the lengths that people will go to to downplay that win
Same people who would have moaned had we played 'Ange ball' in the final, dominated Utd and got picked off on the counter.
This thread is batshit mental
We ain’t backing no manger ever. That is the one universal truth.
Out of curiosity, is anyone able to tell me our xg, shots on goals, touches in box, progressive dribbles or field tilt etc from the 84 final?
Winning on pens sounds more of a blag than within 90 mins but we never talk about the 84 win like that, against an absolute European minow.
Winning on pens sounds more of a blag than within 90 mins but we never talk about the 84 win like that, against an absolute European minow.
Not under these owners
i'm not talking about the Ange in Ange out debate, that's boring to me.
I'm just amused how spurs fans love to diminish us winning our 1st European trophy since before i was born, only our 4th in the clubs very long history just because they hate the guy basically. it's silly
enjoy it, there's a good chance alot of us will be dead the next time it happens
We didn't need any more attacking threat, and if we had, we would have. The point you're making is completely irrelevant.
United, with all their possession and 'threat' did nothing - we had a better XG than them.
Our defence > their attack
Our attack > their defence
Liverpool had also just won the league at a canter and could rightly claim to be the best team in Europe all season, so no, I don't imagine it factored into their analysis of why they were otherwise dogshit.
Also worth noting that we didn't really trouble Liverpool in that game.
The wins over Frankfurt, Bodo and United were ugly, scrappy, grit and determination wins by a club with not that many good options and in all sorts of terrible form in the League simply determined to find a way to win.
Only complete fuckwits think this is "a bad thing". It's one of the greatest things to happen at Spurs in 40 odd years.
Yea, I mean, I could not give less fucks how excactly won the final. We came out of it on top and that is what matters in final.
On the other hand, to me winning last season EL is hardly as big of an achievement as some people try to make it look. It is league into which the best teams cannot come. All the teams we had to beat COMBINED would have likely similar resources than we do. It is far inferior to CL and also to Premier League. I cannot fully understand what is the reasoning or logic, but I read everywhere that "But we won! It's a trophy". Maybe the fault is with me. That I cannot look at anything on so simplistic level. To me there is also context that matters. And if in order to win far inferior league we totally give up on much thougher league, it is not a good sign. Sports for me is about being the best. And of course - only one can be best in every competition. But you should prove your worth on highest level possible. In that we failed badly in past season.
Other thing is that all other managers faced higher standards - they had to compete in League and then try to win something outside of the league as well. May it be CL (Poch) or domestic cup (Harry, Poch and Mou), but it all had to be done on top of EPL not at full expense of it.
So for me, despite EL being literally the first trophy as Spurs fan (discovered club football at 2009) and despite that weird fact I still do not see that winning EL on its own would be enough of a reason to keep a manager. This side is riddled with very massive underlying issues and in big picture it has just been getting worse in last 12 months time. So please, let's make a quick decision. Rip off the bandages, appoint new manager and start preparations for CL + EPL season asap.
On the other hand, to me winning last season EL is hardly as big of an achievement as some people try to make it look. It is league into which the best teams cannot come. All the teams we had to beat COMBINED would have likely similar resources than we do. It is far inferior to CL and also to Premier League. I cannot fully understand what is the reasoning or logic, but I read everywhere that "But we won! It's a trophy". Maybe the fault is with me. That I cannot look at anything on so simplistic level. To me there is also context that matters. And if in order to win far inferior league we totally give up on much thougher league, it is not a good sign. Sports for me is about being the best. And of course - only one can be best in every competition. But you should prove your worth on highest level possible. In that we failed badly in past season.
Other thing is that all other managers faced higher standards - they had to compete in League and then try to win something outside of the league as well. May it be CL (Poch) or domestic cup (Harry, Poch and Mou), but it all had to be done on top of EPL not at full expense of it.
So for me, despite EL being literally the first trophy as Spurs fan (discovered club football at 2009) and despite that weird fact I still do not see that winning EL on its own would be enough of a reason to keep a manager. This side is riddled with very massive underlying issues and in big picture it has just been getting worse in last 12 months time. So please, let's make a quick decision. Rip off the bandages, appoint new manager and start preparations for CL + EPL season asap.
Liverpool had also just won the league at a canter and could rightly claim to be the best team in Europe all season, so no, I don't imagine it factored into their analysis of why they were otherwise dogshit.
Also worth noting that we didn't really trouble Liverpool in that game.
uh huh, shouldve smashed a poor spurs team on the decline without their best player by a lot more then shouldnt they the useless cunts . Im afraid the CL win doesnt count
At last. Someone gets it. And explains it far better than I could
But you have gotten was you wished for throughout this thread, you wanted this manager sacked?
I cant tell you the stats but it was a high quality game. Anderlecht were a shit hot side back then, not minnows.
I'd swap Jose for Conte in that sentiment. The moment after getting 4th, was there for us that summer and we didn't go as hard as we should have done.. I know history has been rewritten that he was always miserable and never liked it here... But I remember the italian press that were close to him that summer were insistent that he liked it at Tottenham and wanted to make us winners.
Yes, United were dogshit. Thanks for making that point.
Most sides we face in the CL won't be.
Did they win a European Trophy? No. Did they provide good league seasons? No.
Trophies won by Harry Redknapp at Spurs: 0
Trophies won by Mauricio Pochettino at Spurs: 0.
Brilliant league seasons. No fucking trophies.
I have now witnessed Spurs win a European Trophy live. Nothing else matters right now. I'm sad for you that you don't understand this.