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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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daveyboy88 said:
alien language to him! his idea of being a good manager is getting the players to run hard for the love of their families and be ultra high up the pitch, with the added genius spark of having full backs acting as the most important playmakers on the pitch.....
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True!

We won the EL which is fantastic. Thank you Ange. But it was backs to wall for much of the game vs a shite United team. Even now, we have the players to be better than that.

After the EL win maybe Ange can land AEK or some other third tier club job in Europe. He might be wise to take that opportunity vs staying on at Spurs tbh.
 
Kaz Hirai said:
liverpool won the CL final against us with 39% possession
and 3 attempts on target all game

i wonder if they cared about the way they won it as much as spurs fans seem to about how we won the europa. I do wonder if they said it doesn't really mean much because they just stayed in a deep block against a team thats never been to a CL final with a midfield of winks and sissoko and a half dead harry kane

spurs supporters are truly a interesting bunch
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Of course they don’t fucking care lmao, why are you lot deliberately misinterpreting what people mean when they point this stuff out?

The point isn’t ’oh we didn’t deserve to win it and it doesn’t mean anything’ it’s that based on a performance like that we shouldn’t be keeping a manager at the club.

It’s that simple. It’s not an attack on us winning it, it’s the questioning of a coach who has been so bad for so long who some of you want to keep because we won that game playing that way.
 
Herclueless said:
I'm not sure I agree, every other fan I've heard from (2, it's two people... Villa/Liverpool) were in total agreement that the game and the two sides involved were utterly abysmal, lots of Social Media posts made the same observation.

The way to tell it's an Woolwich fan is that they will also add in bitterness at us having won it on top.

I'm not bitter, I just don't see any point in trying to hide from the fact that it was dire stuff. Even Jose would find it difficult to muster a semi for it.

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I believe though we would have been more forward thinking and created more chances had we had an attacking midfielder fit! Utd had everyone fit pretty much. Agree it was a dire game.
 
LLB Part Deux said:
Some more stats from our EL final against the shittest Man U side you'll ever see:

35% possession
3 total attempts (1 on target, arguably)
0 'clear' chances
1 run into penalty area
66% pass accuracy

We won, and that's what matters - but it was absolutely despite the way we played, not because of it.
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For someone who is a self-proclaimed data geek, this is a hilariously bad analysis of cherry-picked stats.


We went 1 up in a first half that was pretty even—with both sides having 10 minutes or so of back-and-forth offensive possession. We scored and came out in the second half to defend as we had zero real pace or creativity at our disposal, and our best players were all defensive-minded.

Look at the DEFENSIVE stats to get a picture of how we played to defend our 1-goal lead to get an idea of how well we played -
 
Shadydan said:
Yawn...stop trying to pay down our EL win in an attempt to get at the manager, it's so boring and you sound like an Woolwich fan, just stop.

The only thing to take note in your post is that we won and that's all that matters, who gives a toss?? Would you rather we lost and played like PSG, I wouldn't and I doubt many people would either.
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That's just stupid. The question is whether we'd have been more likely to win if we'd played like PSG and the answer is yes.

Pulling the wool over your own eyes by pretending that we played well in the final is not helpful. We played with our backs against the wall, and it worked out. Great - but most of the time it doesn't.
 
dudu said:
For someone who is a self-proclaimed data geek, this is a hilariously bad analysis of cherry-picked stats.


We went 1 up in a first half that was pretty even—with both sides having 10 minutes or so of back-and-forth offensive possession. We scored and came out in the second half to defend as we had zero real pace or creativity at our disposal, and our best players were all defensive-minded.

Look at the DEFENSIVE stats to get a picture of how we played to defend our 1-goal lead to get an idea of how well we played -
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We did defend well yes. I'd take issue with "zero creativity" at our disposal though. Really? We had Bentancur, Son, Odobert, Porro, VdV, Sarr, Moore. Not exactly Zidanes any of them, but again, it's whether the manager has coached them well and set them up well.

Overall our EL run did not tell the story of a really well-coached side that is going places. Maybe the Bodo games and Qarabag at home were the exception. But they are championship/League One level teams tbf.
 
dudu said:
For someone who is a self-proclaimed data geek, this is a hilariously bad analysis of cherry-picked stats.
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Of course it's cherry picked, I'm making a point that we had zero attacking threat apart from one scuffed goal. You don't make that point by, I dunno, citing the number of throw-ins.

The defensive stats aren't particularly amazing other than the clear sheet at the end.
 
LLB Part Deux said:
That's just stupid. The question is whether we'd have been more likely to win if we'd played like PSG and the answer is yes.

Pulling the wool over your own eyes by pretending that we played well in the final is not helpful. We played with our backs against the wall, and it worked out. Great - but most of the time it doesn't.
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Seeing as you're into stats go and look at the stats for the CL final in 2019 and then just repeat what you just said with a straight face lmao
 
Kaz Hirai said:
liverpool won the CL final against us with 39% possession
and 3 attempts on target all game

i wonder if they cared about the way they won it as much as spurs fans seem to about how we won the europa. I do wonder if they said it doesn't really mean much because they just stayed in a deep block against a team thats never been to a CL final with a midfield of winks and sissoko and a half dead harry kane

spurs supporters are truly a interesting bunch
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There's greater context around it than just comparing the two matches, Klopp already had so much credit with the Liverpool board/supporters, they weren't coming off of a league season where they finished 17th, the didn't look poorly coached and barely able to do the basics of football in nigh on every game, and they weren't playing a side as dismal as Man Utd.

If you are looking to the Europa win to outweigh the abject League performance, then it requires more than just a "by hook or by crook" scrape a win performance to do so.

Is it nice to have won the trophy, absolutely, but was there anything about that performance that only Ange could have coached? Was there anything about it to excite you for the following season? Was it the origin of a great footballing dynasty?

For me the answer is no to all of the above.

If we'd have come out, played them off the park, and swashbuckled our way to a 6-0 trouncing, then there might be a more difficult debate to be had.
 
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Lets be honest even if we'd have been superb in that final and done them by 3 or 4 you really shouldnt be changing your mind on 90 minutes when you have 17 months worth of evidence showing how poor we are. He stood a chance of staying on if we'd have shown more in the league, things like consistancy, clean sheets, more difficult to beat but we've just got worse and worse over time. There is zero cohesion to our play, we're boring to watch, individuals and the team collectively going backwards. There is also zero sign things would improve.
 
LLB Part Deux said:
That's just stupid. The question is whether we'd have been more likely to win if we'd played like PSG and the answer is yes.

Pulling the wool over your own eyes by pretending that we played well in the final is not helpful. We played with our backs against the wall, and it worked out. Great - but most of the time it doesn't.
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Not sure why people are dumping on the way we played in the final. The way played in the final is not an issue. We played with the cards we dealt on the day. It's the league results that are the issue.
 
Hotspurpaul said:
I believe though we would have been more forward thinking and created more chances had we had an attacking midfielder fit! Utd had everyone fit pretty much. Agree it was a dire game.
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Can't deny that.

I was unimpressed with our use of the ball though. Felt like 90 minutes of us just hoofing it back to them, one occasion we played a few passes in midfield and Solanke (from Udogie) could have been clear on goal but for a poor touch.

The midfielders on the pitch should have been more than capable of making a few composed passes and retaining possession, without having to be Zidane about it.
 
manmountainbutters said:
We did defend well yes. I'd take issue with "zero creativity" at our disposal though. Really? We had Bentancur, Son, Odobert, Porro, VdV, Sarr, Moore. Not exactly Zidanes any of them, but again, it's whether the manager has coached them well and set them up well.

Overall our EL run did not tell the story of a really well-coached side that is going places. Maybe the Bodo games and Qarabag at home were the exception. But they are championship/League One level teams tbf.
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I too can make a long list of not very creative players and point out they aren't Zidane but I'm not sure what your point is other than to highlight just how much fucking work we need to do in the Transfer market whoever the next manager is.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
Not sure why people are dumping on the way we played in the final. The way played in the final is not an issue. We played with the cards we dealt on the day. It's the league results that are the issue.
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It's fucking incredible, the lengths that people will go to to downplay that win

Same people who would have moaned had we played 'Ange ball' in the final, dominated Utd and got picked off on the counter.

This thread is batshit mental :D
 
Out of curiosity, is anyone able to tell me our xg, shots on goals, touches in box, progressive dribbles or field tilt etc from the 84 final?

Winning on pens sounds more of a blag than within 90 mins but we never talk about the 84 win like that, against an absolute European minow.
 
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