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Management Ange Postecoglou
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I hope it all comes out well for Postecoglou. He cleared the roster, got some experience for the young guys, and reestablished an attacking mindset. There are better places for him to manage and better managers for Spurs.
Still nothing makes me think he's staying then
Just wondering. Like there's a world in which we look at the full Europa League campaign as this imperious journey of conquering major challenges separate from the domestic season. I'm curious whether that would justify the "focus was diverted from the league" argument in people's minds.
I agree with you that what actually happened was different than that, even if we might quibble over *how* different.
And I’d generally agree. If it’s a league match at Wolves in February that things hang on, pull the trigger. Now.
But this was more than a match. This was proof we could win a cup. Proof we could win and not bottle it. One of 9 managers in almost 150 years to do it. It’s got to be taken into account and got to be deemed more important than “one result”.
It's also four results in that "do or die" sense. He'd have been gone the next morning if we'd lost to AZ, Frankfurt, Bodo, or United.
It would make more sense to have had to divert league attention if we were playing stronger teams, yes. We shouldn't need to throw away league games to beat AZ or Bodo, but we did.
I don't think the games we won to win the Europa league were done so because Ange is special in any way shape or form.
People are having their opinion skewed by his wins at other clubs for one. Wins in Australia, Japan and Scotland with Celtic. None of those compare to the PL.
They're also heavily ignoring the lengths we went to in order to win the Europa league. Literally leaving the likes of Romero and VDV out of the starting 11 for weeks on end, even Vicario etc missed games too. No other manager has done that at Spurs. So no other manager has been in that position.
Nailed it.
Eh, after a huge early bounce two years ago it hasn't really kicked on for Carrick.
Whereas Scott Parker seems to have turned his career around in the Former Spurs Midfielder Managerial Derby.
This is an interesting question.
Before the final, I was Ange Out regardless of if we won or not so I am not the target audience for it. But I think maybe the Ange In crowd could have added some substance to their case for retaining them if we'd won the final in an impressive fashion. Against a decent opponent, in a hostile atmosphere.
As it played out, we were (mostly) poor but ManU were poorer. And we won it by doing exactly the opposite of Ange's confessional play style, which hurts the case for retaining him rather than helping.
I credit him for realizing we were never going to be scoring and deciding to be negative and grind out a result, but his "we only play one way" philosophy is what he'll go back to if he returns, it's never worked for us and it is repudiated by the very trophy itself if you ask me.
ifs and buts, the cold hard fact is Poch won fack all and Ange did. Poch had plenty of chances with an incredibly strong team and chocked every time adding to the spursy legend
2017 - finished second in the league playing great football with the probably the best talent in the league and ultimately it was wasted
Lloris
Toby Alderweirld
Vertonghen
Dier
rose
walker
wanyama
dembele
erisken
Ali
Kane
Subs: Son, Jansen, Trippier, Davies, Wimmer, Sissoko
knocked out of Europa league by Gent...bloody gent
knocked out at home in League cup by West Ham
knocked out of FA cup by Chelsea
and the story is pretty much the same for the domestic cups in his time here, who can forget being knocked out by colchester united.
great manager for us poch, especially at building a competitive team league wise we could be proud of, the likes we'd not seen.
but he was a specialist in failure when it came to cups , shouldve done much better
Fair point. I’m not convinced that he binned off the league on his own. Otherwise, Levy would have surely sacked him late last year.
On the other hand, I’m not convinced of this binning off being a plan. So many times that the team that took the pitch should still have been good enough to win, but didn’t do the basics.
On the Europa run, maybe this wasn’t due to Ange, but if that’s the case, I’d suggest the league defeats can’t lay 100% at his feet either.
And yes, it’s easy to win at Celtic. But I don’t think that’s why he got the job. It wasn’t his results up here, it was the way the team played. Again, easier when you have a squad so much better than the oppo.
I think Carrick has shortened because, for some reason, Joe Cole has opined that he would be good.
Man Utd legend backed to replace Ange Postecoglou at Tottenham
Ange Postecoglou is expected to discover this week his Tottenham fate and is at 'extreme risk' of being sacked by Spurs.
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I think 17 years was reason enough for Levy to hang in there and not sack him while we had a chance.
I think the fallout from sacking Mourinho before a final was reason enough for Levy to shy away from doing it again.
I think the embarrassment of taking months to replace Mourinho and Conte was a big factor with Levy not wanting to repeat that.
It was a perfect Storm for Ange. He was never losing his job, no matter how dismal we were in the league that pays more money for a top half finish than we got for winning the Europa League.
This whole he threw the league since January for Europa is revisionist history.
He only started rotating (i.e not playing his best players available) once the quarter came around. In April.
While he didn't have a full squad in January, because of injuries he played a role in, he absolutely played his best team in the league as available.
He only started rotating (i.e not playing his best players available) once the quarter came around. In April.
While he didn't have a full squad in January, because of injuries he played a role in, he absolutely played his best team in the league as available.
Get on with it.
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Ange Postecoglou sack: Thomas Frank ready to join Tottenham; Top transfer target revealed
Tottenham have held further talks with Thomas Frank and the Brentford manager is open to replacing Ange Postecoglou at Spurs, TEAMtalk understands.
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If he gets sacked get vibe he will make a massive big deal over it and write a book or appear hard done by on aussie tv. Won us a trophy and thanks but cant go into new season where i fear relegation under him. I just think he simplfies it too much. Premier league is elite. You cant cut corners.
It does no one any good this decision being announced getting dragged out.. If the decision is that he's going, you just make it more painful, awkward and fractious by dragging it out.. If the decision is to keep him, then he goes into the new season underminded by the obvious umming and ahhing over his future. The world'll know that he starts the season on the brink.. Which can't work.Get on with it.
Ange Postecoglou sack: Thomas Frank ready to join Tottenham; Top transfer target revealed
Tottenham have held further talks with Thomas Frank and the Brentford manager is open to replacing Ange Postecoglou at Spurs, TEAMtalk understands.