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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Herclueless said:
I don't believe that was part of the hypothetical?

Nor is it in any way a logical extrapolation from anything I've said.
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I made it part of the hypothetical.

I think it's fair to ask where your commitment to league outcomes begins and ends when you are turning down the offer of a guaranteed CL Trophy at the cost of a single season finishing 17th. 🤷‍♂️

You must realise that all of this just makes you look like someone having a tantrum because a manager you don't like won a major European Trophy while finishing 17th. And rather than just fucking enjoy that like 250, 000 other spurs fans did you are engaging in ever more strange contortions about what you consider a "proper football season".
 
Phomesy said:
I made it part of the hypothetical.

I think it's fair to ask where your commitment to league outcomes begins and ends when you are turning down the offer of a guaranteed CL Trophy at the cost of a single season finishing 17th. 🤷‍♂️

You must realise that all of this just makes you look like someone having a tantrum because a manager you don't like won a major European Trophy while finishing 17th. And rather than just fucking enjoy that like 250, 000 other spurs fans did you are engaging in ever more strange contortions about what you consider a "proper football season".
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You're last paragraph is made up nonsense, you're either willfully ignorant, or conflating me with others just because I'm not Ange in. I have no strong feelings either way on the man, I just think he's a hopeless manager.

As for adding things, if I'm not allowed to weigh up the ongoing consequences of us being so shit we finish 17th in the league, then why are you yourself complicating the simple yes or no hypothetical?

If you told me this 17th place finish comes from winning all 38 games by 5 clear goals but we're docked 80 points for financial mismanagement, then I'd bite your hand off, because it's not necessarily 17th place itself that's so abhorrent, it's being subjected to 90 minutes of dross every fucking week.
 
Herclueless said:
You're last paragraph is made up nonsense, you're either willfully ignorant, or conflating me with others just because I'm not Ange in. I have no strong feelings either way on the man, I just think he's a hopeless manager.

As for adding things, if I'm not allowed to weigh up the ongoing consequences of us being so shit we finish 17th in the league, then why are you yourself complicating the simple yes or no hypothetical?

If you told me this 17th place finish comes from winning all 38 games by 5 clear goals but we're docked 80 points for financial mismanagement, then I'd bite your hand off, because it's not necessarily 17th place itself that's so abhorrent, it's being subjected to 90 minutes of dross every fucking week.
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So... would prefer 3rd place finishes and no cups because we'd always be competitive without ever tasting that one moment of glory?

Because it seems the EL trophy wasn't worth it for you when it quite clearly was for the vast majority of Spurs fans. Like... you hated the 17th place more than the joy of the trophy? Is that accurate?

And the only reason I conflated your responses with your feelings about Ange is because I can't find any reason in your response so I'm assuming they're irrational. Scum would bite your hand off for the hypotheticals you've turned down. Why are you acting like we are Real or Oil slavers?
 
the only reason spurs won the europa cup was because ,Ange took a team that finished in 8th spot and had lost kane ,to a 5th place finish and european qualification in his first year in charge. van de ven missed 25 league games, romero missed 20 league games, vicario missed 14 league games ,richarlison missed 23 league games, udogie missed 13 league games ,solanke missed 11 league games. yet there are people who think ange should of kept winning every game without his star players especially his center backs . what is the point of having star players if you can win without them ? in the 4-0 semi final loss in the efl cup to liverpool , the backline was kinsky,spence ,gray,davies ,danso do you honestly believe they could hold on to that 1-0 lead ? the fact spurs took a lead into that match is a credit to ange. the loss to villa in the fa cup the backline was kinsky ,porro ,spence,danso ,gray. when they sit down to analyze why we ended up where we did these thiings have to be taken into consideration. would liverpool have won the title if their starting center backs missed a total of 25 and 20 games ?
 
Pythagoras said:
the only reason spurs won the europa cup was because ,Ange took a team that finished in 8th spot and had lost kane ,to a 5th place finish and european qualification in his first year in charge. van de ven missed 25 league games, romero missed 20 league games, vicario missed 14 league games ,richarlison missed 23 league games, udogie missed 13 league games ,solanke missed 11 league games. yet there are people who think ange should of kept winning every game without his star players especially his center backs . what is the point of having star players if you can win without them ? in the 4-0 semi final loss in the efl cup to liverpool , the backline was kinsky,spence ,gray,davies ,danso do you honestly believe they could hold on to that 1-0 lead ? the fact spurs took a lead into that match is a credit to ange. the loss to villa in the fa cup the backline was kinsky ,porro ,spence,danso ,gray. when they sit down to analyze why we ended up where we did these thiings have to be taken into consideration. would liverpool have won the title if their starting center backs missed a total of 25 and 20 games ?
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God forbid Ange actually manage the squad he assembled and find a way to pick up points in the league through the injuries. Even if you don't think the suspiciously high number of hamstring injuries are anything to do with Ange, we weren't even the worst afflicted team this season by injuries, Brighton were by some distance, and they improved 3 places. Woolwich had a very comparable amount of days missed to us and finished 2nd again, and you can't even use the "no Europe" excuse for them, or that they weren't key injuries considering they had massive layoffs to Saka and Odegaard. Whatever way you try and paint the injury bollocks it just doesn't wash, it's not acceptable to finish 17th with the resources at Ange's disposal under any circumstances.
 
I find it strange that at the start of the season the majority of sentiment on here was fuck the league, just win a trophy. Now that he’s done that the sentiment has changed to fuck a trophy we need a better league season.
Putting all my bias aside, I honestly believe Ange will be staying. He has performed, contractually, perfectly. In his 2 seasons he has returned us to European football, won a European trophy and qualified for the riches of the CL.
Irrespective of your thoughts on our league performances, he absolutely has earned the right to start the season.
It seems though it’s a case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t for a lot on here.
 
OziBeerMan said:
I find it strange that at the start of the season the majority of sentiment on here was fuck the league, just win a trophy. Now that he’s done that the sentiment has changed to fuck a trophy we need a better league season.
Putting all my bias aside, I honestly believe Ange will be staying. He has performed, contractually, perfectly. In his 2 seasons he has returned us to European football, won a European trophy and qualified for the riches of the CL.
Irrespective of your thoughts on our league performances, he absolutely has earned the right to start the season.
It seems though it’s a case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t for a lot on here.
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Indeed. NOBODY would have expected after losing Harry Kane that within 2 seasons we would be back in the Champions League and have our first major trophy in 41 years.

I completely agree, it was an unorthodox approach. However, Ange needed to guarantee winning Europa, and that meant taking some risks.

- VDV didn't return to playing when he was fit - instead they focused on his technique and conditioning to prevent future injury.
- Richarlison & Romero weren't risked in League games and were protected to ensure they were 100% for Europa League games.

As it turns out, VDV made a match winning goal line clearance; and Richarlison / Romero put in MOTM performances on the night.


Next season we cannot have the same approach - and that means we must have players at the level required - and that really means at least 18 players who aren't "backups" or kids - but are all starters.
 
OziBeerMan said:
I find it strange that at the start of the season the majority of sentiment on here was fuck the league, just win a trophy. Now that he’s done that the sentiment has changed to fuck a trophy we need a better league season.
Putting all my bias aside, I honestly believe Ange will be staying. He has performed, contractually, perfectly. In his 2 seasons he has returned us to European football, won a European trophy and qualified for the riches of the CL.
Irrespective of your thoughts on our league performances, he absolutely has earned the right to start the season.
It seems though it’s a case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t for a lot on here.
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harry7 said:
Indeed. NOBODY would have expected after losing Harry Kane that within 2 seasons we would be back in the Champions League and have our first major trophy in 41 years.

I completely agree, it was an unorthodox approach. However, Ange needed to guarantee winning Europa, and that meant taking some risks.

- VDV didn't return to playing when he was fit - instead they focused on his technique and conditioning to prevent future injury.
- Richarlison & Romero weren't risked in League games and were protected to ensure they were 100% for Europa League games.

As it turns out, VDV made a match winning goal line clearance; and Richarlison / Romero put in MOTM performances on the night.


Next season we cannot have the same approach - and that means we must have players at the level required - and that really means at least 18 players who aren't "backups" or kids - but are all starters.
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You are just talking shite.
 
OziBeerMan said:
I find it strange that at the start of the season the majority of sentiment on here was fuck the league, just win a trophy. Now that he’s done that the sentiment has changed to fuck a trophy we need a better league season.
Putting all my bias aside, I honestly believe Ange will be staying. He has performed, contractually, perfectly. In his 2 seasons he has returned us to European football, won a European trophy and qualified for the riches of the CL.
Irrespective of your thoughts on our league performances, he absolutely has earned the right to start the season.
It seems though it’s a case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t for a lot on here.
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I agree with most of your general observations.

However, how can a manager's right to remain in a very well-paid job not be determined by the vast majority of games they've overseen? Many of which were awful to watch and reflected very little football progress. You cannot ignore what is staring you in the face.

I haven't seen enough from Ange in the meat of the season to suggest that he's an adaptive tactician. I'm also not convinced that buying better players will necessarily guarantee us greater success with his system either, which I admittedly don't really enjoy watching. Due respect to Ange for the cup win, but the league honestly felt like watching someone learning on the job.
 
Allejo10 said:
You are just talking shite.
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Which bits shite?

The club wanted Champs League and a Trophy - they don't give 2 shits about being 17th for 1 season and missing out on 20m prize money - a worthwhile loss.

The fans wanted Champs League and a Trophy.

The league performances were a kick in the teeth - especially to season ticket holders. The alternative was likely 6th-8th, no trophy and no champions league next season.
 
harry7 said:
Indeed. NOBODY would have expected after losing Harry Kane that within 2 seasons we would be back in the Champions League and have our first major trophy in 41 years.
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The same thing happened with Sheringham. He went to Man United in the summer of 97 because he wanted to win trophies and neither of us won anything in 97/98. Then in 98/99, United won their Treble and we won the Worthington Cup just like Kane won his Bundesliga this season and we won the Europa League.

The only difference is that I think Kane would have missed winning the Europa League with us a lot more than Sheringham would have missed winning the Worthington Cup with us. I don't think he would have had a Son moment with that Bundesliga.
 
Pythagoras said:
the only reason spurs won the europa cup was because ,Ange took a team that finished in 8th spot and had lost kane ,to a 5th place finish and european qualification in his first year in charge. van de ven missed 25 league games, romero missed 20 league games, vicario missed 14 league games ,richarlison missed 23 league games, udogie missed 13 league games ,solanke missed 11 league games. yet there are people who think ange should of kept winning every game without his star players especially his center backs . what is the point of having star players if you can win without them ? in the 4-0 semi final loss in the efl cup to liverpool , the backline was kinsky,spence ,gray,davies ,danso do you honestly believe they could hold on to that 1-0 lead ? the fact spurs took a lead into that match is a credit to ange. the loss to villa in the fa cup the backline was kinsky ,porro ,spence,danso ,gray. when they sit down to analyze why we ended up where we did these thiings have to be taken into consideration. would liverpool have won the title if their starting center backs missed a total of 25 and 20 games ?
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stop talking sense.
 
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