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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
People moan when he does and moan when he doesn't. He's never been the mouthpiece of the club in 24 years and does chairman stuff of official communication now and again.

"He should stay out of football stuff"
"Why isn't he involved in the football stuff"

"He should leave football stuff to football people"
"Why doesn't Levy care about the football stuff"

At some point you're all going to have to let that aspect go and accept that there's several people in the club that are going to make this decision and communicate this. I expect right now that would be Vinai.

It's not like Levy is suddenly silent like some weird "David Gold" type persona.


People are anticipating some kind of change because of a shit league season, but as far as it goes it's the end of season break so it's weird to be anticipating anything expect for people who want him gone. It isn't normal to confirm the manager is still the manager in the default scenario. Has never happened in any summer previous.


Levy shouldn’t be making any decisions about football

The fact that he’s taking so long and looking amateurish about this Ange decision just adds more evidence to support that.

It was worse when he appointed Ange and the worst was Nuno.

Ange saved his legacy with that EL final but he should be out the door before any other decision if possible. We have just learned to accept that he won’t be
 
...but this isn't 'the default scenario'.

By default, he still has a contract.

If it was expiring, then we'd expect to know one way or another (bit like backup Ben, who isn't on the released list but also no news on extension). From the outsider's perspective, the CWC is about to start and Spurs have just won the EL. I wouldn't say there's any requirement for the club to say anything right now - it is more of an expectation. Or hope, for some of us.
 
Levy shouldn’t be making any decisions about football
I very much doubt he is. Why would he?

The fact that he’s taking so long and looking amateurish about this Ange decision just adds more evidence to support that.
How can he take a long time to make a decision that he isn't making?

It was worse when he appointed Ange and the worst was Nuno.

Ange saved his legacy with that EL final but he should be out the door before any other decision if possible. We have just learned to accept that he won’t be

OR - maybe the Australian "Chief Footballing Officer" was the one that appointed Ange.

And maybe (well, not maybe - definitely) it was Paratici who appointed Nuno.


If you don't want it to be about Levy, stop manifesting him
 
By default, he still has a contract.
Oh, for godsake, this isn't 'the default scenario', as you stated. Stop twisting what you said. There is a massive amount of media speculation which urgently needs to be put to bed, one way or another. Your argument is that Levy doesn't need to say anything - that's just total nonsense and everyone, but you, knows it.

The reason Levy's not said anything is because he's desperately trying to conclude a deal with a new manager, not because he doesn't need to say anything. He clearly DOES need to say something.
 
By default, he still has a contract.

If it was expiring, then we'd expect to know one way or another (bit like backup Ben, who isn't on the released list but also no news on extension). From the outsider's perspective, the CWC is about to start and Spurs have just won the EL. I wouldn't say there's any requirement for the club to say anything right now - it is more of an expectation. Or hope, for some of us.
If the manager is the clubs guy and it's just business as usual because as far as they're concerned, because the manager is under contract.. They don't let the story of "the managers future is up in the air" and "considering other candidates" fester. They brief those journalists close to the club (Ali Gold etc) that he's absolutely the guy and going nowhere.. Because the longer this speculation isn't shut down, the more the manager is undermined.
 
Oh, for godsake, this isn't 'the default scenario', as you stated. Stop twisting what you said. There is a massive amount of media speculation which urgently needs to be put to bed, one way or another. Your argument is that Levy doesn't need to say anything - that's just total nonsense and everyone, but you, knows it.

The reason Levy's not said anything is because he's desperately trying to conclude a deal with a new manager, not because he doesn't need to say anything. He clearly DOES need to say something.

It is the "default scenario". The only time a manager receives public backing is when he's about to be sacked. Everyone knows this. It would be completely redundant and counter-intuitive to comment about it as he's still under contract. There's no precedent so support this unless it is a new contract (ETH style).

If we lost the EL final then it would be different. The fact we won it means that the majority of the opinions out there vocally are that he's expected to be back for a third season - the parade was used by Ange to suggest it.

So, to double down (or triple down), there isn't any requirement to confirm it.

Case in point - no one is expecting Man Utd to "confirm" that Amorim is staying, nor are they talking about united getting a new manager or speculating - despite them having a similar season to what our worst case above would be.
 
There's a massive difference between falling short in the league despite our best efforts and playing like a fucking pub team all season and finishing 17th.

Reaching the point where I travel for hours fully expecting to watch us get battered isn't sustainable. This season must be a one off, and in saying that I don't believe Ange has the tools to turn that around. I don't see what's so controversial about this.

Anyone who travelled from Wales every week to watch us get done every week deserves their own extra trophy and first choice on next manager imo. That's proper dedication :D
 
If we lost the EL final then it would be different. The fact we won it means that the majority of the opinions out there vocally are that he's expected to be back for a third season -

This isn't true. The only person who's vocally confirmed he'd be here next year. Is Ange himself..

All the speculation before the final from those journalists with a good reputation (David Ornstein etc), was that the result of the final wouldn't change that he is going to be sacked. And the club did not temper those stories via a press leak. Which they absolutely would have done if there was zero validity to them.
 
people going on about either winning trophies or finishing in the top 4 etc. Fuck all that! All I want is to see my beloved Tottenham play with imagination, flare and a swagger, the rest will then take care of itself imo.
 
This isn't true. The only person who's vocally confirmed he'd be here next year. Is Ange himself..

All the speculation before the final from those journalists with a good reputation (David Ornstein etc), was that the result of the final wouldn't change that he is going to be sacked. And the club did not temper those stories via a press leak. Which they absolutely would have done if there was zero validity to them.

They've been saying that since January/February. "One more game" etc.

Didn't happen. No communication. BAU


P.S. the 'vocal' stuff refers to the fans at the parade, players etc.
 
OK but if we out in that performance next season, then a promoted club like Leeds will finish above us.

5 PL wins since November. Five.

Ipswich
Saints x 2

(both relegated - ooh!)

the worst MUFC team since 1974
And a jammy 2-0 at Brentford

If you think that's acceptable you've got to be a gooner

One of the reasons he's toast is that STs won't put up with that shit again.
We won’t get relegated even if Leeds have a great season. It’s not acceptable and it’s been embarrassing but to actually think we could get relegated is stupidity.

The old gooner shout eh? Fuck me mate!
 
He did. Didn't make it past the last 16. Which is strange, given that it's such an easy competition to win. Apparently.

Yes, Mauricio Pochettino did manage Tottenham Hotspur in the UEFA Europa League. During his tenure as Spurs manager from 2014 to 2019, the club participated in the Europa League in the 2014–15 and 2015–16 seasons.

  • In 2014–15, Spurs reached the Round of 32, where they were eliminated by Fiorentina.
  • In 2015–16, they progressed to the Round of 16, but were knocked out by Borussia Dortmund.
  • In 2016–17, Spurs reached the Round of 32, where they were eliminated by Gent.
FUCK SAKE - STOP IGNORING PEOPLE!


Poch sacrificed the Ropey League for top 4 finishes.
FUCKING. LISTEN.

He, nor anyone else in the history of ENIC, the Premier League, the growth of the Champions League, EVER threw away league game after league game after league game to ease past shit like fucking Bodo fucking Glimpt.

STOP BEING A FUCKING DIV AND FUCKING UNDERSTAND.

NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN GIVEN FREE REIGN TO KEEP LOOSING EVERY WEEK.
NOBODY HAS EVER NOT HAD TO WORRY ABOUT BEING SACKED ON A MONDAY AFTER YET ANOTHER LEAGUE LOSS.

Any one of Jol, Redknapp, AVB, Poch, Mourinho or Conte would have won a ropey league.
NOT ONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE GOT CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOR IT AS IT DIDN'T AWARD THAT.
And for that reason, they all HAD to focus on league form.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULL AND STOP TALKING SHIT.

If admin aren't going to ban this twat despite EVERYONE foul voting him, I think I'll have to ban my fucking self.

Being Get Real GIF by Pudgy Penguins
 
They've been saying that since January/February. "One more game" etc.

Didn't happen. No communication. BAU
No. What actually happened during the season was the opposite... We'd lose to Leicester/Ipswich etc.. And we'd as fans be thinking. Right this is it now. He's gone. And then a day later there would be a story in the press that said "We are told that Spurs are not minded to sack Postecoglou any time soon but may revisit it at some point in the future if form was to decline further". I do not remember one story from one of the few respectable outlets that read, "one more loss and he's sacked".
 
When it comes to strange, I don't think there is anything unusual in being overjoyed at winning a cup but being very concerned by such a pitiful overall performance in the league. Domestic league performance is the best marker of how good/strong a team actually is and in most other seasons we would have been fighting a relegation battle.

The reason I question Ange's competence at this level is because he was willing to throw his attacking principles out of the window to win the EL with a very decent squad but did not show the same pragmatic, tenacious approach when a lot of our best players were unavailable to stop us sinking in the league. We looked devoid of structure and form for so much of the season. We became easy to beat. His 'we never stop' approach caked away and he was exceptionally poor at adapting to the challenges our B team faced. And folk can argue his case but, as always in football, the results have the final word.

I'll always be grateful to him and the players for getting us the EL trophy - it is what I wanted more than anything, no doubts. But this isn't a game played on one stage. The bread and butter is the PL and we need someone who can navigate us through it at a higher level if we're to maintain our standing as one of the big PL teams.
The answer could lie in a post from last year:
I'm an Ange fan and since I am obviously biased I almost never comment.
I'll make an exception though just to point something that should be clear but obviously isn't. He said several times that his aim is to build a team and a system where everybody knows exactly what to do in any given circumstances. Thus changing the system for any specific game unless it is live or die is a step back.
If you bare this in mind you will understand every move he does
Now, whether this system works or not remains to be seen when we will have a full squad..
 
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