There is truth in that. But this club has been a shambles or in crisis on numerous occassions during Levys tenure. Fans are right to be annoyed/disillusioned.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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He did. Flouncing off the next day and leaving the country to it.
And now he's gone incognito! Perhaps he's masquerading round as a master tactician, he'd be unrecognisable!
The bloke who dismissed our European Championship as "second rate" is answered by the bloke who turned his nose up at winning the Champions League - who then goes on to deny that ever happened even though it's literally a few pages back as part of this exchange:
If Ange stayed, won CL, finished 17th AND WAS SACKED THE NEXT DAY
Would you take that?
If they sack him, I'll understand why they had to but part of me will be disappointed.
If they keep him, I'll be glad the rumours can stop and hope he's backed and has a great start to the season.
If they replace him with Frank, I'll be massively underwhelmed.
If they keep him, I'll be glad the rumours can stop and hope he's backed and has a great start to the season.
If they replace him with Frank, I'll be massively underwhelmed.
In some ways, I want him to start next season so we can lose the majority of the first half a dozen games.
At least then it should shut some of the simps up and prove the remaining Angebois are literally not Spurs fans.
If we boot him now, it's sort of hard to prove he was a problem. Even if we won the title next season under his replacement. If that happened, I'd expect them to claim he set us up for it.
And if the new guy was as bad, or worse, they'd claim Ange was performing miracles as it was...
At least then it should shut some of the simps up and prove the remaining Angebois are literally not Spurs fans.
If we boot him now, it's sort of hard to prove he was a problem. Even if we won the title next season under his replacement. If that happened, I'd expect them to claim he set us up for it.
And if the new guy was as bad, or worse, they'd claim Ange was performing miracles as it was...
Absolutely.
But stomping feet, screwing up their faces and whining "why hasn't he been sacked yet" is just embarrassing behaviour for adults.
He'll get the sack. It might be today, tomorrow, 5 games into next season, or anywhere between.
It will happen.
The longer this goes on the more likely it is he stays. They are not waiting for his vacation to be over to sack him - the football industry is far more ruthless than that!
He doesn't exactly get the blood flowing to your nethers, but he's competent and tactically astute.
That's a world of improvement on the current vibes fiasco.
So shutting up other fans and being proven right means more to you than the football club just actually doing well?
By that logic, you probably wanted us to lose the Europa League final because it meant Ange might get some credit?
How do you let these forums get into your head so much. Yes, we can all disagree and want different approaches to get to the promise land. But FFS we should all have the same goal and thats to see our football club winning titles! Not scoring points against other fans...
Personally I like the idea of getting a replacement manager who has EPL experience, and has some knowledge of the opposition he is facing. At Brentford Frank has helped coach average players into good players. On paper we have a better squad than Brentford, we already have good players who Frank could turn into very good players.
Lets be honest football is a simple game played by fairly simple people, I include myself in that, most with gifted ability, I don't include myself in that!
What players need is to know exactly what is expected of them in their positional roles, and when things are not going to plan, to be told why they are not and what they need to do to correct it.
Frank seems to be a student of the game who more often than not can explain and tweak these things, then you have to rely on ability and football brain of those players.
Lets be honest football is a simple game played by fairly simple people, I include myself in that, most with gifted ability, I don't include myself in that!
What players need is to know exactly what is expected of them in their positional roles, and when things are not going to plan, to be told why they are not and what they need to do to correct it.
Frank seems to be a student of the game who more often than not can explain and tweak these things, then you have to rely on ability and football brain of those players.
A small but vocal minority on here absolutely feel this way. We all know who they are.
That’s just not true though.
Pochettino routinely spoke about wanting to make us one of the top sides in Europe, and even in his early seasons he spoke about wanting to compete for leagues and Champions Leagues.
He got us to more finals and semi finals of cup competitions than any other manager in living memory, in all of which we were beaten by sides that were simply better than us with better players, so thus narrative that he ignored cup competitions and “made no compromises to try and win domestic cups” is utter bollocks.
We are Tottenham Hotspur mate, not fucking Wigan. I’m sorry but it shouldn’t take us finishing 17th to win a trophy. That in itself is a shocking indictment of what we have become and what utterly horrendous ownership has resulted in.
Pochettino viewed the situation that winning a cup alone would not turn us into a top club, and agree with that or not, there is logic to it. Yes we’ve won the Europa League, which is fantastic, but we are still an absolute shambles of a club that is a million miles from competing for major trophies on a consistent basis.
I has assumed the decision would have been made on Monday 2nd of June. Thought they'd already made the decision to fire him but just wanted to allow 10 days to pass after the Europa League final to let emotions die down.
Now we are into Wednesday 4th of June and the transfer market is open. I think we are already approaching the stage where its now more likely Ange stays. I think if he is still here by next Monday then that will be the consensus.
Frank won't want to get messed around either. Brentford are very active in the transfer market. (Selling Mbeumo&Flekken, signing Kelleher) and he is probably playing a key role in all these deals. He himself will want clarity this week or he might just decide he's not leaving.
Now we are into Wednesday 4th of June and the transfer market is open. I think we are already approaching the stage where its now more likely Ange stays. I think if he is still here by next Monday then that will be the consensus.
Frank won't want to get messed around either. Brentford are very active in the transfer market. (Selling Mbeumo&Flekken, signing Kelleher) and he is probably playing a key role in all these deals. He himself will want clarity this week or he might just decide he's not leaving.
I think the CL final where we lost to Liverpool was a lot worse, even the League cup final we lost to City under Mason was worse..... Also a lot of fans predicted we would lose the away leg to Bodo ....
Again for what its worth I wouldn't call myself a Ange fan boy, I think the losses in the league are inexcusable , he should have been gone months ago, but regardless I'm not going to write off our European cup win as a given as we "were favourites" fucking hell, talk about shifting the narrative!
Thats just a strange take, I'd rather be proved wrong and have Ange's Spurs go on to win every game next season and we do the Quadruple , but thats just me ................
Not for me.
The Pochettino effect that a lot of fans hope for a repeat of and probably the board too is a pretty rare occurrence. the stars just aligned that time. Poch is a unicorn , eddie howe another
often with these lower rank prem managers who do well at small prem clubs with zero expectations, they just more often than not choke at a bigger prem club when teams play differently than what they're accustomed to, the expectation to win more games than they're accustomed to, the burden of it all etc. fails more than it works usually
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I wouldnt be confident of frank lasting more than 18 months , more like 6. home crowd will be immediately on his back if football isnt good/ lose a few games - wont be used to that
That's gonna be one hell of a hangover.