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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 72 64.3%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.7%
  • Total voters
    112
Don Pedro said:
2 weeks have passed since the season ended. 9 full working days if you include the bank holiday. And still no clarity on Ange's future.

The delay is a killer. No planning for next season or a manager to identify targets they want. We need this resolved this weekend. Either back Ange or sack him but do not wait another week to decide!
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I'd like to think that Enic were always gonna get rid of Ange regardless of any EL success and Frank was sounded out a couple of months back, given assurances he had the job and to start putting together a wish list.
The reason for the delayed announcement is purely out of respect for Ange for winning The EL.

Then again. maybe I think to much!!
 
dudu said:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Winning something is a MEANINGLESS statistic?

You are not a serious poster. Your personal feelings towards Ange because we finished 17th have made you rewrite the entire idea of what sport and competition are all about for those who take part??
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Not meaningless but it's something that can have less meaning.

Pochettino for example. I think he did infinitely more in real terns with us, just falling short, than he did at PSG.

I think it's context.

Postecoglou was already a winner. All he did (significant though it was) was add to that with us, but his 2 years with us can just as easily be seen as having added minimal to no value to the players at his disposal,despite some of their tripe.
 
Mostly wrong said:
No, saying "it's more than what 90% of managers have achieved" is meaningless, as I said, the vast majority of coaches that enter football management will never win a competition of any kind in their entire career, that means that by default, any competition win puts you ahead of the vast majority of the pack. You can debate the merit of one Europa league win and how successful or not that makes Ange, personally I really don't think it proves anything tbh, plenty of coaches have won the Europa league more than once who will not be particularly well remembered either. Juande Ramos won 2, plus a league cup, don't think he'll go down as a generational manager though...
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No one is saying he is a generational manager - why do you keep twisting things around your personal feelings towards him.

Being one of a handful of coaches to win a trophy is a meaningful achievement for him, he will end his career a much happier person having won it than had he not.

Youre the one who said 'he will never go above achieving the EL' like there are that many places to go above it anyway - everything you write comes across like sour grapes and attempts to diminish an achievement most people who try fail at.
 
Don Pedro said:
2 weeks have passed since the season ended. 9 full working days if you include the bank holiday. And still no clarity on Ange's future.

The delay is a killer. No planning for next season or a manager to identify targets they want. We need this resolved this weekend. Either back Ange or sack him but do not wait another week to decide!
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It could be the case that everyone is cracking on behind the scenes quietly without running to the press every few hours...?
 
Notabadsquad said:
Not meaningless but it's something that can have less meaning.

Pochettino for example. I think he did infinitely more in real terns with us, just falling short, than he did at PSG.

I think it's context.

Postecoglou was already a winner. All he did (significant though it was) was add to that with us, but his 2 years with us can just as easily be seen as having added minimal to no value to the players at his disposal,despite some of their tripe.
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The meaning behind it is of course subjective.

The Europa trophy has more meaning to me than getting to a CL final- that could be different for you and that is fine.

But Id be willing to bet anything that winning the Europa trophy meant more to the manager and players than getting to the CL final and losing did to the different manager and players.
 
dudu said:
The meaning behind it is of course subjective.

The Europa trophy has more meaning to me than getting to a CL final- that could be different for you and that is fine.

But Id be willing to bet anything that winning the Europa trophy meant more to the manager and players than getting to the CL final and losing did to the different manager and players.
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What's your point, and I don't mean purpose to humanity?
 
dudu said:
You're making my point for me - the assertion from Aphex is just hyperbolic, dramatic nonsense.

IF and huge IF he does stay - unless we are in an around the top 4 battle after 5 games, he is gone - if we lost the first 3, he would go - which is why it seems pointless to keep him.
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Most sensible thing I've ever seen you write.
The only way we'd be in a relegation battle is if Levy really has lost all interest in football and couldn't care less if we did go down.
 
Fattynomates said:
So your saying he started at the bottom and worked his way to the top and was the guy who broke Spurs Trophy draught by winning the EL ? :angecup:
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No.
I'm saying he started at the bottom. Stayed at the bottom for a very long time. And then got put at the top just in time for a once in a lifetime opportunity to go all out for an easy trophy.
He didn't get to the top by working his way up.
 
dudu said:
So a greater achievement than 90% of managers have ever achieved....

Not too bad IMHO
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Winning any cup is a greater achievement than most coaches.
If you attribute every cup with solely to the coach.
Like Ramos for instance.
That man was a fucking GOD for winning us the league cup. Without him in charge we never would have won that.
 
dudu said:
I'm not Ange in, but I'd be willing to make a charity bet that if he does stay, we will not be fighting relegation.

Also, calling things you don't understand demented is rude as fuck bro - your opinions and the way you choose to look at the world is yours to do with what you want as is anyone's else.
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It's not things I don't understand though is it. It's things you clearly don't understand.

It's idiots saying they want Ange to stay on nothing but vibes.

I am basing my opinion on plenty of evidence. I am able to analyse the performance of Ange through two years of football, and it's obvious he's nowhere near good enough.

On what basis does Ange deserve to stay on as manager? The reality is he should have been sacked many times over last season.

This is our points tally under Ange

3 points gained out of 48 against the top 8 sides.

A total of 4 points gained from a possible 54 in 18 games against the top 9 sides.

And a total of 10 points gained from a possible 60 against the top ten sides, courtesy of 6 earned against Brentford.

Beating the Saints and United twice gave us 12 more, another 4 came against West ham. So we earned 22 of our 38 points from 4 teams.

That is absurdly bad. I am sorry, but anyone who wants a manager with that league record above to get a third season, isn't a Spurs fan, or they have lost the plot.

Here's actual video of Ange saying that league is the best indicator of a teams progress. Now, however. He acts like winning a cup is the most important thing, and the league is irrelevent.

Just another example of the absolute bullshit this guy chats. He's an arrgoant egotisital moron, who will say anything to save face.


View: https://x.com/JonnyH3232/status/1930913811520721051
 
Don Pedro said:
2 weeks have passed since the season ended. 9 full working days if you include the bank holiday. And still no clarity on Ange's future.

The delay is a killer. No planning for next season or a manager to identify targets they want. We need this resolved this weekend. Either back Ange or sack him but do not wait another week to decide!
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Billy Bob mate said:
It could be the case that everyone is cracking on behind the scenes quietly without running to the press every few hours...?
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It's a classic case of back, sack or crack on, isn't it?

I reckon anyone who attempts to back, sack & crack Ange deserves a medal.

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Image stuck in your head yet?

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dudu said:
The meaning behind it is of course subjective.

The Europa trophy has more meaning to me than getting to a CL final- that could be different for you and that is fine.

But Id be willing to bet anything that winning the Europa trophy meant more to the manager and players than getting to the CL final and losing did to the different manager and players.
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Incredible levels of denial about the importance of actually winning things.

You enter a tournament or league to win it. That’s the entire purpose of sport at the elite level.

Winning will always mean more than finishing second. I don’t care if that’s an awkward truth for some people who are wedded to the opinion they had before the final… it’s still the truth.

Even if you think Ange he should go, he’s now only behind Bill Nich and Burkinshaw when it comes to managers of this football club. That’s what winning does.
 
dudu said:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Winning something is a MEANINGLESS statistic?

You are not a serious poster. Your personal feelings towards Ange because we finished 17th have made you rewrite the entire idea of what sport and competition are all about for those who take part??
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There's a very strong "posting history to Username" correlation going on here :D
 
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