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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Aphex said:
Nobody is abormal for thinking Ange is a bullshit artist. And nobody is really angry. The laughable thing is you've spent all evening on here trying to talk down to fellow Spurs fans because they don't like Ange, yet in the same posts criticised those fans for having sad lives. LOL.

Ange is a chancer, always has been always will be. His cultists wherever they are in the world are embarassing. They were embarassing when they defended Ange to the hilt even when he was failing like fuck at this club, and they still are now.

But it's fine, we all have a difference of opinion.

Obviously Ange is responsible for the mess we got into in the league last season, and it's very fair to say he is a big part of the reason why we have continued to struggle this season.

The fact is, our terrible relegation style league form started under Ange. And whatever bad habits and losing habits we picked up in the league last season continued under Frank.

Under Jose, Conte, it was never ever this bad. It all started under Ange, he initiated the worst PL form we have seen in decades. He started the rot, and the squad hasn't recovered.

Frank was totally the wrong man to stop the rot, in fact he made it worse in some aspects, but the rot started under Ange. He made losing every week acceptable in the PL. We completely gave up our standards in the league.

And winning a few games and a trophy in Europe against mediocre opposition does not make any of that acceptable.

Frank wasn't wrong when he said we finished 17th the previous season. He was obviously being self serving to lower expectations, but the reality is the rot had started before he arrived. He couldn't stop the rot so he was rightly sacked, but the rot = Ange.

Football is all about momentum and trends, and the reality is the form we see now is just a continuation of Ange's tenure. Frank couldn't change it, let's hope Tudor and the next man can.

If you don't like my opinion on Ange, ignore it, but you don't get to police what we say about him.
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Thank you.
 
Timberwolf said:
Gonna hide this thread after this post it's clearly the most toxic on the forum. Feel like everyone's dug in and it's just getting abusive.

The hardline Ange-defenders act like he did nothing wrong and all his faults were down to external factors, while also acting sanctimonious about the cup win claiming Ange-doubters can't/didn't enjoy it (which is patently bollocks).

The hardline Ange-haters can't see anything good about the guy at all and think the cup win was a fluke and nothing to do with him at all. He's just a lucky, self-serving, snake-oil salesman who had no redeeming qualities and is solely to blame for our current problems.

Think, as always, the truth lies somewhere in between. I think Ange is a very gifted manager with a lot of great qualities, but some colossal flaws too. I've got a massive soft spot for him as a bloke and I think it's clear the players loved him and would've run through brick walls for him, but I also think he's a bit of a bullshit artist and the way he self-mythologises is extremely calculated and often disingenuous.

Overall, I'll always love what he did for us as the cup-win was one of the highlights of my Spurs supporting life and in many ways he embodies exactly what I want from a Spurs manager: brave, proud, inspiring. But fuck me, his tactics weren't half naive and his pig-headedness around how we set up, rushing players back from injury, not adapting to game-state caused us lots of problems. I think had he stayed the 3rd season would've been bad and he would've been sacked before Christmas - everyone and their dog had our number and we were such an easy mark.

Frank was fucking shit, but I have zero faith that Ange would've had a glorious resurgence. Think sacking him was, ultimately, correct. We just picked the worst possible replacement.

Anyway, enjoy ripping the shit out each other :)
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I mean this (very good) post is just an extended version of this (also very good) post.

nicoclaesen said:
Don’t give a fuck with what anyone else says about it but I really enjoyed the interview. I have no ill feelings towards the guy who was our manager when we won a European trophy. Some try downplay that but it’s now in our history. I’m glad we sacked him though and even more glad we sacked Frank. I could listen to Ange all day whereas I couldn’t listen to Frank for 30 seconds.
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Which, like I've already said, is where 85% of normal Spurs exist.

There's a very loud and very abusive 12% who dominate this thread and often, sadly, the forum as a whole.

(the other 3% is basically candrews candrews and harry7 bless them).
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
I'd rather be lucky than good.

And were worse before Ange. We were 8th before. He got us the fifth, 2 points from 4th, and had we won that game against the scum that we wanted to lose we would have got fourth, and Champions League money to bring in better players and maybe not finished 17 the following year.

If's and maybe's.
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8th is a lot better than 17th. We hadn’t finished in the bottom half for how long? Until Ange came along that is.
 
Shadydan said:
If it was so easy to win trophies how comes we never managed to win one for 17 years?
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Nobody said it was easy. But managers can get lucky. Do you want a list of all the crap manages who’ve won CL’s and other trophies? Di Matteo, Avram Grant etc

Winning a trophy doesn’t always correlate to a managers quality. Ange is objectively a very poor manager at this level.

Poch had us consistently in finals and semi finals with a far better team yet we never won anything. That’s football. It’s completely random.
 
Aphex said:
Winning a trophy doesn’t always correlate to a managers quality. Ange is objectively a very poor manager at this level.
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Many seem to forget that he finished 5th, in his first season. In a season where the team lost Harry Kane. In a season where Spurs had a major injury crisis.

I could list the number of well-regarded, experienced managers who never finished that high in the Premier League. For example, O'Neil, Alladyce, Potter, Silva, Hodgson.

We ALL agree 17th was shit. But it has been confirmed many times by Ange and the players, that decision was made to bin off the league and focus on winning the 2 cup competitions. Clubs should NEVER bin off a competition, however as we all know the club prioritized signing kids instead of experienced players - and paid the price.
 
harry7 said:
Many seem to forget that he finished 5th, in his first season. In a season where the team lost Harry Kane. In a season where Spurs had a major injury crisis.

I could list the number of well-regarded, experienced managers who never finished that high in the Premier League. For example, O'Neil, Alladyce, Potter, Silva, Hodgson.

We ALL agree 17th was shit. But it has been confirmed many times by Ange and the players, that decision was made to bin off the league and focus on winning the 2 cup competitions. Clubs should NEVER bin off a competition, however as we all know the club prioritized signing kids instead of experienced players - and paid the price.
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Many also seem to forget that no other manager has accumulated 26 points in their first 10 games, and finished lower than 4th. That was actually quite a feat considering he went out of the cups early, and had no European football, but Ange managed it.

He bettered it next season by losing 22 league games and not getting relegated. Also a first. Guy's truly special.
 
Ronald McDonald said:
Many also seem to forget that no other manager has accumulated 26 points in their first 10 games, and finished lower than 4th. That was actually quite a feat considering he went out of the cups early, and had no European football, but Ange managed it.

He bettered it next season by losing 22 league games and not getting relegated. Also a first. Guy's truly special.
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A few, however, have noticed that you've made 165 contributions to this site in 4 years and about 75% of those have been slagging off Ange Postecoglou. I think there's one mention of Bilbao where you said it was "amazing" but only in the context of also slagging off Ange. So... you don't seem particularly even handed.

And then of course there's this in August 5th 2025:

Ronald McDonald said:
I've got a good feeling about next season. I don't know why but I feel it in my bones. Next season will be special
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Now I'm a romantic so I absolutely believe we will win the Champions League this season. But instinct tells me you didn't really have an ACTUAL relegation battle in mind when you posted this? :ange-bored:
 
Phomesy said:
A few, however, have noticed that you've made 165 contributions to this site in 4 years and about 75% of those have been slagging off Ange Postecoglou. I think there's one mention of Bilbao where you said it was "amazing" but only in the context of also slagging off Ange. So... you don't seem particularly even handed.

And then of course there's this in August 5th 2025:



Now I'm a romantic so I absolutely believe we will win the Champions League this season. But instinct tells me you didn't really have an ACTUAL relegation battle in mind when you posted this? :ange-bored:
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A true clown in every sense of the word 🤣
 
Aphex said:
Nobody said it was easy. But managers can get lucky. Do you want a list of all the crap manages who’ve won CL’s and other trophies? Di Matteo, Avram Grant etc

Winning a trophy doesn’t always correlate to a managers quality. Ange is objectively a very poor manager at this level.

Poch had us consistently in finals and semi finals with a far better team yet we never won anything. That’s football. It’s completely random.
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Managers can get lucky? lol you're so incredibly full of shit, using the example of Di Matteo who is clearly the exception because he only ever won one trophy in his short career and Avram Grant didn't even win a fucking trophy of note, just some Israeli pots but nothing major...and who's the 'etc' as well then? lol what nonsense.

Whats more we have had better managers at this club who haven't managed to win with us mainly because this club doesn't win trophies, so trying to act as if it was some sort of random fluke that he won is hilarious seeing as you practically acknowledged that Poch, who is a far better coach than Ange, failed to get us over the line after neunorous attempts and even got knocked out of the same comp against a shittier side with a far better squad.

Had to laugh at you putting our form this season all on Ange yet at the same time trying to putting our cup win on the players, what so now Ange's influence takes presidence even though he's not around anymore yet when he was around when it came to lifting that trophy our tactical geniuses on the pitch was the reason we won :D

Do you see why I say 'low IQ' take ^

Disingenuous, dishonest bollocks, that's all your arguments ever are.
 
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HyNdZee said:
Interestingly Robbie Williams also claims to be an introvert in an extroverts job.

Perhaps they have some ambivert qualities, but it is still a bit of a disservice to everybody on poor income trapped in their basement unable to play football or perform music due to social anxiety. True introverts.

As for all of Ange's contradictions, I think he genuinely was stupid enough to write off the league for the sake of his stubborn football style.

He probably did not realise that finishing higher in the league money was about as important to the club as the Champions League money, or just didn't care enough.

It is weird he didn't change his style in the Premier League to the one that worked in the Europa League, and even weirder he didn't keep Nottingham Forest's previous successful style first before implementing his own.

I think if he read anything about Clough at Leeds, it's basic management 101 not to change a winning formula.

He just genuinely thought his way would eventually work like Pep's and that the fans hated Conte's style.

The fans did hate Conte's style at times, but I respected that Conte got top 4 and his rant was spot on.

We needed a modern day 'Arry type manager, without the media loving narcissism, who understood when to switch styles.
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We will soon find out what Tudor is made of, but he’s saying we first have to play a way for the players we have. That’s always a good start.
 
Aphex said:
Winning a trophy doesn’t always correlate to a managers quality. Ange is objectively a very poor manager at this level.
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Whilst I think Poch did 10x better than Ange in every department, I also think Ange showed more balls than Poch in a European final XI selection.

Granted, Ange didn't have the Kane headache, or issues with defensive players being available, but he still had a lot of injuries to key players and still could've went too attacking in that game and messed the whole plan up.

The likes of Ramos and Ange, and possibly Jose if he was given the chance, were superior tactically in one-off finals.
 
Shadydan said:
If it was so easy to win trophies how comes we never managed to win one for 17 years?
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Because we never had another manager who had the balls to actually say we are winning a trophy this year and instilling belief in the players that it was going to happen.

Ange was unique and he terrified some supporters. They couldn't handle the pressure of our manager saying we could win something and break our drought incase he'd be wrong and we'd be bantered.

I don't care what anyone on here says. It was an incredible achievement by Ange to have the whole dressing room believing we could end the 17 year drought despite having an awful season. And anyone who thinks otherwise just has their own issues.
 
Don Pedro said:
Because we never had another manager who had the balls to actually say we are winning a trophy this year and instilling belief in the players that it was going to happen.

Ange was unique and he terrified some supporters. They couldn't handle the pressure of our manager saying we could win something and break our drought incase he'd be wrong and we'd be bantered.

I don't care what anyone on here says. It was an incredible achievement by Ange to have the whole dressing room believing we could end the 17 year drought despite having an awful season. And anyone who thinks otherwise just has their own issues.
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Negativity is what's wrong with this club, including the owners, management, fans and forums.

"Oh. This was a good season. We didn't win anything but we finished 4th on the table....."

Where is the Will To Win? Where is the belief?

FFS, we haven't won the league since 1961 and all the others of the Big 6 have won it multiple times.

Ange was a breath of fresh air into a toxic, loser environment.
He installed BELIEF into the players and delivered on the same.
 
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