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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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No they weren’t. Alex Ferguson, Walter Smith, Dick Advocaat, Martin O’Neill, Brendan Rodgers and Ange were top SPL managers. Gerrard and Lennon significantly less so.
Gerrard won one trophy - literally one - the whole time he was there. St. Johnstone won more silverware during the same period ffs.
Lennon’s success came when Rangers either weren’t in the league or were still reestablishing themselves. When he had any actual competition he shat the bed and fucked the 10 in a row season.
They were better than the Russell Martin’s and Wilfried Nancy’s of the world, but not good.
Absolute nonsense. Show me something -anything- that indicates how teams were outperforming us by a delta of ‘about 4 goals’ (LOL) during those games. Because if that was even close to being true it’d be borne out in the xG for and against. That’s literally what it’s for.
The reality is that during that early period the team did give up chances, sometimes big ones, and Vacario made a number of key saves. But crucially they were creating more and better overall chances at the other end, something bizarrely you’re entirely discounting.
Which ones has he been turned down for? Links please.
Lol @ you.
Bloke ended up at Forest. Fucking Forest. Fighting relegation, which he ended up making worse for them.
He then ended up on Sky crying about his sacking & going on about how he hates being out of a job lmao.
Wait for the summer if you want. He’ll never work in the Prem again because his reputation is poison here. He got Forest because his Greek mate got emotional.
Nobody big is impressed by the Europa when to get to a final you had to beat Bodo, a side who outside their plastic pitch get done in 5-0 by sporting Lisbon.
If Forest stays up I wouldn't be surprised if Marinakis gave him a second chance, this time with a preseason and a window.
I know that this is absurd, but so is Marinakis.
XG in those 10 matches (Spurs first)
Brentford 1.3 vs 2.2
Man Utd 1.7 vs 2.1
Bournemouth 2.1 vs 0.7
Burnley 2.2 vs 1.3
Sheff Utd 2.1 vs 0.7
Woolwich 1.4 vs 1.8
Liverpool 2.2 vs 1.3 (but that was game where Liverpool had probably biggest VAR error ever go against them, and down to 9 men, including one send off later rescinded as being an error)
Luton 1.9 vs 0.8
Fulham 1.5 vs 1.0
Palace 1.1 vs 0.6
Then Chelsea 0.9 vs 4.0 and downhill from there
So in those 10 matches where we garnered 28 points, we "won the XG" 7 times and lost it 3 times, with one of those games seriously affected due to erroneous refereeing decisions
If one of Ange’s great-grandchildren gets called Angelos and thereafter eventually becomes a player for us ; their thread will carry on seamlessly from this one . You can bookmark this if you wish .
Perpetuity has been attained .
Remind me, where did Poch end up after failing to do anything meaningful at PSG (despite having some of the VERY finest players of their generation at his disposal) and then immediately failing again at Chelsea and being shown the door after one season?
Was it… Real Madrid?
Oh wait I remember, he’s managing in the footballing backwater of the USMNT where his recent contemporaries are Jurgen Klinsmann and I don’t know, probably Bob fucking Bradley?
Now his next job could very conceivably be in the Championship. He’s really on an upward trajectory!
Mince, I agree with much of what you say, but there is another argument that hasn't been touched on.
Postecoglou has said: " He won't change the way he plays the game as this is what has brought him success everywhere he's been."
If I could have word in his ear I would say: " But now you're against clubs with huge resources in the managing and coaching department, far more talented people. and far more talented players. They will analyse and pick apart your way of playing at a level you haven't had in the past. More importantly they have the players that will take the chances your way of playing inevitable gives them, and your players will need to take theirs, every time ( which we didn't and neither did Forest)".
His Celtic dominated Real Madrid for about 60 minutes and could have easily been up 3-0 at half time. They didn't take their chances, Real did. 3-0 loss, copped another 5 over there iirc. Same with a few other games in Europe, where Celtic pounded a German team and a Spanish team, but lost both games, because the opposition took their chances, even though they were outplayed by his Celtic
This the flaw in xG analysis. The game is about who actually scores, not about who creates more chances. He plays very high risk football.
When I watch my team play I tend to overstate the other team's chances and under-state ours, and I think that's actually quite common.
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Remind me, where did Poch end up after failing to do anything meaningful at PSG (despite having some of the VERY finest players of their generation at his disposal) and then immediately failing again at Chelsea and being shown the door after one season?
Was it… Real Madrid?
Oh wait I remember, he’s managing in the footballing backwater of the USMNT where his recent contemporaries are Jurgen Klinsmann and I don’t know, probably Bob fucking Bradley?
Now his next job could very conceivably be in the Championship. He’s really on an upward trajectory!
Lmao Pochettino isn’t coming to Spurs if we get relegated, don’t be stupid.
The whole fucking debate was who was more impressive at Spurs. Poch got the PSG and Chelsea jobs off of what he did at Spurs, Ange got relegation battling Forest. It doesn’t take rocket science to see what the big clubs thought.
Pochettino by the way could walk in to any mid table premier league club if there was a vacancy. His name still seriously gets mentioned alongside jobs like the United job.
Nobody talks about Ange like this, ‘cos outside of you absolute weirdos who feel the need to big up Bodo .. he’s viewed as a bum.
It's the quality of chances that our team was giving up, the opposition being clear through on goal requiring them to miss straightforward chances against the frame of the goal, or Vicario making point blank saves.. At the other end we created chances of course, I'm not disputing that. My point is exactly Vicario was in amazing form or we would not have won as many of those matches.
I don't know why you're even arguing about it, you seem to agree with my point but then start about chances that the team created during attacks, as if I'm arguing we had none. Of course we had chances we won the games, my point is we needed an extraordinarily on form Vicario to make those attacks of ours count for anything.
Is there anything to actually argue about in this conversation? it feels like I'm yelling into a cave.
Mate, have you watched Courtois? He saves Real's arse multiple times a game with worldies, every week. Same with Donnarumma.
Could we have been tighter at the back to protect the keeper? Well, there are stats that say that we were when we had a small run of a fit back five.. but with Austen, Forster, young Gray, Davies, Royale not so much
What it showed then as it does now is how shallow the squad depth is once we go past our best eleven. Its relegation shallow.
And one that will decorate the walls of the Tottenham Hotspur stadium for years to come, the only manager who has secured a major in 40 years, some feat that.
Yeah there are no bum managers who have won the Europa league. They’re all top tier coaches. All of them.
Ffs RANGERS were a penalty shootout away from winning it under some random coach. RANGERS.
The most perverse thread on this forum.
Posters trying to convince posters with entrenched views.
Utterly insane.
Posters trying to convince posters with entrenched views.
Utterly insane.