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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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More of this pathetic cope. It did have "repercussion" - the manager was sacked remember?
And we didn't "go from Top 6" - we finished 8th with 14 fucking losses in 22/23. 14 fucking losses. With prime Kane and Son.
It was Postecoglou who got us back into Europe despite losing Harry Kane. In hindsight that was the season that papered over the hideous cracks that were first seen in the back end of the Conte/Stellini/Mason era. And led to the disastrous Summer 24 Transfer window.
This whole notion that Postecoglou somehow set in motion a culture of losing that poor Thomas Frank simply couldn't overcome is just utter horseshit peddled by cowards who can't admit they were wrong. The problem was never the managers - it was a paper thin squad of diminishing quality hit by two seasons of ruinous injuries.
Feel free to peddle your bullshit but I ain't having it anymore. I will always respond to this bullshit with the facts.
There is no better way you could have summed up Deranger attitude.
Yes mate. Bilbao will bring me some comfort when we're scrambling around in the championship because of catastrophic decisions which you demanded. You got what you wanted and now we're almost down. Give yourself a clap on the back.
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I'm not the one coming in here and cunting off people just because they dare speak approvingly of a manager that won us a trophy. All you guys need to do is avoid this thread but you keep coming in here like moths to a flame.
Two years of bullying and abuse towards people who simply wanted to support the manager. And they're still doing it as we survey the smouldering ruins of the Tottenham Hotspur football club which only a year ago was winning a European Trophy and getting back into the Champions League with everything to play for.
They ain't getting away with it any more. Sorry. Like I said - if people don't like it just don't come in here.
You need to read my posts more carefully. I'm not hankering after Postecoglou* - I'm simply, rightly, pointing out that his sacking has, in hindsight, proved a catastrophe. Not because he didn't deserve to be sacked - but because we swallowed the pack of lies about wanting to compete on 4 fronts and win the Premier League and Champions League.
Instead we hired a decent midtable manager and bought West Ham's 3rd best player, our fourth choice Madders replacement and Palinha. So on that basis, I would simply rather have stuck it out with Postecoglou. Worst case scenario if he had us lose to Chelsea in November and get fucking 0 xG he would have been immediately sacked and our board might have realised earlier just how dangerously fragile our squad really is and bought some fucking good players in January.
What I have pointed out to the derangers who keep coming in here for reasons god only knows - is that their predictions that "any half decent manager will have us flying up the table" have turned out to be ruinously wrong. And, if they come in here spouting their shit, they will be reminded of that. I suggest they take it elsewhere.
And of course his tenure was "halcyon days" compared with what's happened this season. That's just self-evidently true. And I will remind them of it should they come in here with their bullshit.
*when I posted in here for the first time in 5 months on Jan 24 I could see the disaster coming and was so desperate I floated the idea of maybe getting Postecoglou back as interim to get us out of this mess. It's fanciful and panicked but as every game passes I wish we would just do it because I can't see anyone who can give this team the belief they need to get us out of it.
A lapse is....... a lapse. Its not a deliberate act. The important thing is not the lapse, but the re-action to it. And VdV's reaction is legendary.
See if this squad is no better no worse than Postecoglou's squad and the manager had nothing to do with winning the Europa then why did we just get spanked by Forest twice in the same season?
I mean this Tottenham team under the great Thomas Frank ought to be good enough to win the Europa, but got its arse handed to it twice 0-6 on aggregate by a team who lost to the mighty Midget Land in the Europa.
I mean this Tottenham team under the great Thomas Frank ought to be good enough to win the Europa, but got its arse handed to it twice 0-6 on aggregate by a team who lost to the mighty Midget Land in the Europa.
A coward for having a subjective opinion
Here's another for you Ange would have been sacked by the end of October with us propping up the table.
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Let’s make it three
Yeah this team also won 2-0 to Frankfurt away, beat Dortmund, beat Villareal, was actually semi competitive against PSG (and only lost on pens to them in the super cup) whilst finishing fourth in the CL table. I can find examples too.
Forest knocked out midget land over two legs, and were by far the better team. Cup ties occasionally throw up surprise results.
Winning some European games tends to be easier. Even under Poch when we had a brutal season we made it out the champions league group.
The latest pod they discuss the return of Ange as well as the only way to get us out of this mess.
Cue the outrage an Aussie spoke.
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Not the latest pod!! Morons in being moronic shocker
Reveals Aussie fanboy
Yes but some of the problems this season have been due to a lack of focus, I'm not disputing that VdVs clearance wasn't incredible, I'm arguing he needed to do it because Vicario had lost focus.
You have seemed to have suggested the players won the Europa League final because Postecoglou motivated them to do so, which is a point that can be argued but you need to accept that Vicario losing focus was because of Postecoglou as much as VdVs clearance was, if you're going to credit Postecoglou with VdV's clearance.
If you don't accept that then I'm going to argue that VdV made the clearance because it was Romero and himself that were managing the match.
Your move.
To be fair to Frank despite the awful league form, the team were doing well in Champions League, but even if he wasn't sacked, won the Champions League, and came 17th in the Premier League, he still would need to be sacked like Postecoglou was for having the team so close to relegation.
It's not sustainable to keep winning cups and ending the league in 17th place, no matter who the manager is.
A coward for having a subjective opinion
Here's another for you Ange would have been sacked by the end of October with us propping up the table.
That would have been an objectively better outcome than what we are currently experiencing.
He certainly would have been sacked in November if he'd managed 0.1 xG combined versus Scum and Chavs. We might have fully understand the fragility of this squad and bought some proper quality in January that way.
That would have been an objectively better outcome than what we are currently experiencing.
He certainly would have been sacked in November if he'd managed 0.1 xG combined versus Scum and Chavs. We might have fully understand the fragility of this squad and bought some proper quality in January that way.
Would it? I mean at least it would have drawn a line under the Ange debate once and for all. But given that fragility of our squad would we have expected to see them fight their way back from that position? I doubt that - like i said previously I think the damage was done prior to this season, the players were lead to believe they were better than their position in the table showed and were not prepared to roll their sleeves up when the new guy pointed out they were shit and we had to scrap our way up the table.
Probably not. They certainly weren't able to do it under a decent "safe" pair of hands in Thomas Frank. But, like I said, it might have at least provided some alarm bells amongst our complacent fucking board leading to a proper January window.
Lol. No one was saying this shit in late August - least of all you.
What happened? Did the evil Postycoglyou sneak into Hotspur Way in September 25, and wave his little pixy wand of enshittification over the players while Thomas Frank wasn't looking?
I suggest a more straightforward and rational explanation. That, in fact, Postecoglou was overachieving with with this squad both with and without injuries by playing a flawed system that at least played to the limited strengths of the limited talent at his disposal - and by his man management skills that, rightly or wrongly, made the squad absolutely believe in him and themselves.
Certainly Frank was hampered by a squad that didn't really take to him but when you set a team up to achieve 0.1 xG combined versus our two biggest rivals a few weeks apart -I'd suggest he brought some of it on himself.
So when the injuries really started to hit we simply didn't have the wins on the board - or the belief in the squad - to get out of it. And here we are.
What is completely absurd is to suggest that Postecoglou is to blame for any of the failings of this season. That is on the board, the DOF, Frank and the players in that order.
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Another interview for you to enjoy...or make your blood boil depending on your positioning
View: https://youtu.be/L0oP-1CaKKE?si=rdu_T8r_FFLzckmL
View: https://youtu.be/L0oP-1CaKKE?si=rdu_T8r_FFLzckmL
Most of the problems this season have been a result of the players having no faith in a manager that had no faith in them.
There are things about Postecoglou which divide opinion, but one thing that is settled in my mind is that his man-management, motivational skills and emotional intelligence are elite. That doesn't mean players won't lose focus, but it does mean they will fight till the last and push themselves beyond their physical limits.
If it truly was VdV and Romero that master-minded the Europa win, one wonders why they simply didn't take over this season and avoid us becoming relegation candidates- surely its easier for them to coach staying up than winning a European trophy given we've stayed up for every season of the Prem, but never in that time won a European trophy?
Probably not. They certainly weren't able to do it under a decent "safe" pair of hands in Thomas Frank. But, like I said, it might have at least provided some alarm bells amongst our complacent fucking board leading to a proper January window.
Lol. No one was saying this shit in late August - least of all you.
What happened? Did the evil Postycoglyou sneak into Hotspur Way in September 25, and wave his little pixy wand of enshittification over the players while Thomas Frank wasn't looking?
I suggest a more straightforward and rational explanation. That, in fact, Postecoglou was overachieving with with this squad both with and without injuries by playing a flawed system that at least played to the limited strengths of the limited talent at his disposal - and by his man management skills that, rightly or wrongly, made the squad absolutely believe in him and themselves.
Certainly Frank was hampered by a squad that didn't really take to him but when you set a team up to achieve 0.1 xG combined versus our two biggest rivals a few weeks apart -I'd suggest he brought some of it on himself.
So when the injuries really started to hit we simply didn't have the wins on the board - or the belief in the squad - to get out of it. And here we are.
What is completely absurd is to suggest that Postecoglou is to blame for any of the failings of this season. That is on the board, the DOF, Frank and the players in that order.
Like I said previously TODAY I don't think anyone actually appreciated the damage what was done previously, i certainly didn't, as those posts show - i thought changing managers would be a simple quick fix, I was wrong - i didn't realise how deep rooted the issues were.
Being positive at the start of a new managers reign isn't the gotcha you think it is