Manager Ange Postecoglou

[Don Pedro]

Not reading any of the comments here but just amazed how the Ange thread is still trending nearly every day. Is it a record number of pages? He'll break the record anyway if not there already.

Everytime I see it trending I assumed we must be linked with bringing him back. But no its just people arguing about him! Has a manager ever split the fanbase as much as Ange? You either loved him or hated him it seems. I liked him

 

[Phomesy]

Like I said previously TODAY I don't think anyone actually appreciated the damage what was done previously, i certainly didn't, as those posts show - i thought changing managers would be a simple quick fix, I was wrong - i didn't realise how deep rooted the issues were.

Being positive at the start of a new managers reign isn't the gotcha you think it is

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So you accept that Postecoglou managed to paper over the cracks of the deep rooted issues evident in 22/23 when Conte/Stellini/Mason led us to 14 losses while still having prime Kane and Son?

And that the 23/24 season was an overachievement for a thin squad that gulled many fans and, sadly, the stupid club, into thinking this squad was Top 4 worthy - leading to the ruinous Summer 24 window where we bought Solanke and kids - exposing us to a lack of depth which proved almost disastrous when we suffered an unprecedented injury crisis?

In that case, we are fully in agreement.

 

[Phomesy]

Not reading any of the comments here but just amazed how the Ange thread is still trending nearly every day. Is it a record number of pages? He'll break the record anyway if not there already.

Everytime I see it trending I assumed we must be linked with bringing him back. But no its just people arguing about him! Has a manager ever split the fanbase as much as Ange? You either loved him or hated him it seems. I liked him

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Moths and flames my friend.

They insist on on getting burnt.

 

[Micky Bubbles]

So you accept that Postecoglou managed to paper of the cracks of the deep rooted issues evident in 22/23 when Conte/Stellini/Mason led us to 14 losses while still having prime Kane and Son?

And that the 23/24 season was an overachievement for a thin squad that gulled many fans and, sadly, the stupid club, into thinking this squad was Top 4 worthy - leading to the ruinous Summer 24 window where we bought Solanke and kids - exposing us to a lack of depth which proved almost disastrous when we suffered an unprecedented injury crisis?

In that case, we are fully in agreement.

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I don't think finishing 17th can be classed as papering over cracks

 

[Phomesy]

I don't think finishing 17th can be classed as papering over cracks

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No. The European Trophy when he had a fit Back 5 was the paper over the cracks last season.

Again it gulled a lot of fans and our stupid club into thinking our paper thin squad bereft of any real quality was much better than it was and a simple change of manager would magically fix everything.

It didn't

 

[Micky Bubbles]

No. The European Trophy when he had a fit Back 5 was the paper over the cracks last season.

Again it gulled a lot of fans and our stupid club into thinking our paper thin squad bereft of any real quality was much better than it was and a simple change of manager would magically fix everything.

It didn't

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The players too - they didn't come in to this season thinking 17th was their level and there was a fight to improve. Frank clearly knew this hence the approach he took initially, tactically - didn't sit well with the players and despite the improved results they eventually gave up on it.

 

[Deuterz]

Another interview for you to enjoy...or make your blood boil depending on your positioning


View: https://youtu.be/L0oP-1CaKKE?si=rdu_T8r_FFLzckmL

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It does neither.

He can say whatever he wants. Nobody at the top level of English football wants him near them. He can beg it on interviews all he likes.

Sacked and sacked again.

 

[Deuterz]

No. The European Trophy when he had a fit Back 5 was the paper over the cracks last season.

Again it gulled a lot of fans and our stupid club into thinking our paper thin squad bereft of any real quality was much better than it was and a simple change of manager would magically fix everything.

It didn't

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Frank beat Dortmund, Frankfurt away, Villareal and smashed Copenhagen this season. The EL didn’t convince anyone of anything as the smart among us knew it’s an insanely weak competition which is the sole reason ange won it.

 

[Phomesy]

The players too - they didn't come in to this season thinking 17th was their level and there was a fight to improve. Frank clearly knew this hence the approach he took initially, tactically - didn't sit well with the players and despite the improved results they eventually gave up on it.

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I agree with this. And have said so many times. It's why Frank is towards the bottom of my list of "things responsible for our imminent relegation".

Having said that, getting players to buy in is a manager's responsibility. So it's on him and the people who hired him after sacking a manager that the players absolutely believed in. It had to be priced in and it wasn't. I genuinely feel for Frank and think he was sold a shit sandwich by the fuckwits who run our club.

 

[Deuterz]

I agree with this. And have said so many times. It's why Frank is towards the bottom of my list of "things responsible for our imminent relegation".

Having said that, getting players to buy in is a manager's responsibility. So it's on him and the people who hired him after sacking a manager that the players absolutely believed in. It had to be priced in and it wasn't. I genuinely feel for Frank and think he was sold a shit sandwich by the fuckwits who run our club.

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Frank indeed had us higher in the table than ange did, and his European results were better too. With an arguably weaker squad than Ange.

So yes, I don’t blame frank. He was still an upgrade on ange.

 

[Spurboy]

Frank indeed had us higher in the table than ange did, and his European results were better too. With an arguably weaker squad than Ange.

So yes, I don’t blame frank. He was still an upgrade on ange.

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Good try,you need to do better than that,get yourself a pet or a hobby to keep yourself busy.

 

[Spurboy]

I agree with this. And have said so many times. It's why Frank is towards the bottom of my list of "things responsible for our imminent relegation".

Having said that, getting players to buy in is a manager's responsibility. So it's on him and the people who hired him after sacking a manager that the players absolutely believed in. It had to be priced in and it wasn't. I genuinely feel for Frank and think he was sold a shit sandwich by the fuckwits who run our club.

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What a great job Ange did in his first year.He took us from 8th to 5th without arguably the club’s greatest ever player ,can you imagine if harry actually stayed.

 

[Phomesy]

Frank indeed had us higher in the table than ange did, and his European results were better too. With an arguably weaker squad than Ange.

So yes, I don’t blame frank. He was still an upgrade on ange.

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You said: "any half decent manager will have us flying up the table"

Instead we are on the brink of relegation. Breaking all sorts of records for poor performance by a Spurs team.

So I'd politely suggest your analysis is flawed.

Perhaps Frank was an upgrade on Ange but neither of them are the main reason why we're in the state we are.

 

[Phomesy]

What a great job Ange did in his first year.He took us from 8th to 5th without arguably the club’s greatest ever player ,can you imagine if harry actually stayed.

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Not even the great man himself would have made much of difference with the state of our midfield once Bissouma dropped off his 2023 levels, sadly.

 

[glacierSpurs]

What a great job Ange did in his first year.He took us from 8th to 5th without arguably the club’s greatest ever player ,can you imagine if harry actually stayed.

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He was absolutely in love with Kane even in just that short amount of preseason time with him. He praised his work rate and professionalism to be second to none.

In his one of the latest interview I saw asking what would be his greatest 5-a-side. He picked Kane and Son as the forward pair. He chose Son as the skipper because he said Son won the trophy. Lol

 

[Spurboy]

You said: "any half decent manager will have us flying up the table"

Instead we are on the brink of relegation. Breaking all sorts of records for poor performance by a Spurs team.

So I'd politely suggest your analysis is flawed.

Perhaps Frank was an upgrade on Ange but neither of them are the main reason why we're in the state we are.

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Franks done nothing to show he was an upgrade,quite the opposite,I’m sure brentford are still losing sleep over his departure

 

[Phomesy]

Franks done nothing to show he was an upgrade,quite the opposite,I’m sure brentford are still losing sleep over his departure

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Maybe Deuterz thinks relegation is small price to pay to "win" his internet shit fight about Postecoglou.

Sadly the rest of us have to deal with the consequences of such poor choices.

14 losses in 2022/23. Fourteen losses. With Prime Kane and Son.

And people couldn't see what was coming. And when it DID finally come they blamed the bloke who had his finger in hole in dam wall.

Now we all have to live with our folly.

 

[CJJ]

Most of the problems this season have been a result of the players having no faith in a manager that had no faith in them.

There are things about Postecoglou which divide opinion, but one thing that is settled in my mind is that his man-management, motivational skills and emotional intelligence are elite. That doesn't mean players won't lose focus, but it does mean they will fight till the last and push themselves beyond their physical limits.

If it truly was VdV and Romero that master-minded the Europa win, one wonders why they simply didn't take over this season and avoid us becoming relegation candidates- surely its easier for them to coach staying up than winning a European trophy given we've stayed up for every season of the Prem, but never in that time won a European trophy?

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They did the exact same thing in the league last season. You're making an enormous false equivalency in the face of evidence.

If Postecoglou was such a great motivator and man-manager, why did they spent at least the last 18 months of his tenure playing like lower table players in the league? Why didn't VDV and Romero change the league form too?

Of course part of the answer is that a cup competition sees draws as a success, if you do something in extra time. It is 8 games or so instead of 38. It's not a valid dichotomy.

As per the last part, you have to generally not be in the CL, or exit early, to be in the Europa League (and now, not in the CL at all) - so that is a factor for a number of our recent seasons. Winning the CL is echelons higher in difficulty than the EL, which is why Sevilla have won the UEFA/Europa so many times, but have never made a dent in the CL and lost the Super Cup all but once (despite many appearances).

 

[Phomesy]

Most of the problems this season have been a result of the players having no faith in a manager that had no faith in them.

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Most of the problems this season are exactly the same as last season - injuries. Catastrophic injuries. No team or manager can overcome stuff like this.

Where it went badly for Frank and us is he simply didn't get enough wins on the board before the injuries became so bad as to collapse the whole edifice. And that was, as you say, a "buy in" problem - caused in no small part by an approach that garnered 0.1 xG combined against our most bitter rivals.

We needed genuine quality in Summer to "refresh the squad" for a new manager. We didn't. So now we're almost down.

 

[AlabamaSpur]

Idk why people still want this guy back. we lost 22 fucking games last year. Meaning we would have to lose our last 7 this season to equal that steaming pile of shit. We should have gone down last season but by the grace of god the bottom 3 was historically bad.