Manager Ange Postecoglou

[McCOYS]

Only if you take cup matches into account, and AVB has a large amount of cup against low league oppisition in Europe especially to boost his numbers.

Purely on a level playing of league.
Sherwood, Conte and Poch are the leading 3

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IDK how many low league European cup matches are counted for each manager so I just took it as the games they were handed and how many of them they won as a %.

I suppose the figures can be broken down to wins against top 6 teams and whatnot, I've just taken their wins as is, and if AVB was lucky with easy cup matches then that's the way the cookie crumbles, he's where he is on that table and without deleting matches, because he luckily got an easier ride. If you were asked in a quiz which spurs manager has the highest win % since 1946 and you stated anyone except AVB you'd be wrong.

 

[JDefoe]

Would like to wish all of you lovely chaps a happy anniversary. Today is finally that glorious day, the one year anniversary of Ange Postecoglou’s final league win in the Premier League!
View: https://youtu.be/ysm9UD-etIY?si=5-gEun0ab7vQhG1L

A 3-1 victory over relegated Soton, including a controversial Tel penalty with Johnson on a hat trick.

Anyway, drink it in. It was the final Premier League victory of Ange’s illustrious career. Despite playing 12 further Premier League matches after this win, he was sadly unable to come up with a single victory, getting only 2 points from 12 matches across his stints with Spurs and Forest. Ange lost 10 of his next 12 matches in the League, unfortunately - but at least he was able to beat Southampton!

 

[Shadydan]

Would like to wish all of you lovely chaps a happy anniversary. Today is finally that glorious day, the one year anniversary of Ange Postecoglou’s final league win in the Premier League!
View: https://youtu.be/ysm9UD-etIY?si=5-gEun0ab7vQhG1L

A 3-1 victory over relegated Soton, including a controversial Tel penalty with Johnson on a hat trick.

Anyway, drink it in. It was the final Premier League victory of Ange’s illustrious career. Despite playing 12 further Premier League matches after this win, he was sadly unable to come up with a single victory, getting only 2 points from 12 matches across his stints with Spurs and Forest. Ange lost 10 of his next 12 matches in the League, unfortunately - but at least he was able to beat Southampton!

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Oh how we could do with an actual fucking win at the moment, ironically all you've done here is highlight the fact that we were better off sticking with him seeing as we are in the position we are in now, hilarious.

 

[McCOYS]

Just shows you how statistics can be misleading - the number of games played completely skews the percentage.
No-one can argue that Bill Nick is our most successful manager of all time.

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Correct, he has won the most trophies. So with that he is the most successful.

Pochettino was a successful manager at our club but he didn't win a trophy, what he did do was win lots of football matches but unfortunately they amounted to nothing except a healthy win percentage, and some exciting times with nearly winning a trophy or two.

Then there's the likes of Ramos, Graham, and Postecoglou and the club won a trophy during all three of their tenures.

It just goes to show that winning a trophy or having a high win % doesn't mean you're a particularly good manager, I think it's about having a pretty good % and turning into a trophy by winning consecutive matches, for example if Pochettino would have taken some of his win % from one of the other seasons and added to the 2017 season when we came second, we would have won the league. So I think the knack is to have a condensed win % rather than a steady one.

PS fairness to Ramos he did win a couple of European trophies in a row with his previous club but with us just the one trophy. so he's always going to be in the having a positive blip camp with Graham and Postecoglou.

 

[Football Chap]

What is the current record of most posts and/or pages in a TFC thread?
Asking for a friend,

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this is already the biggest, US politics thread the only one that's even close

 

[JDefoe]

Oh how we could do with an actual fucking win at the moment, ironically all you've done here is highlight the fact that we were better off sticking with him seeing as we are in the position we are in now, hilarious.

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Exactly - let’s all have a celebration over Ange’s last Premier League victory!

 

[walter]

If we count win percentage rather than trophies then AVB is the best manager we had since 1946 with 55.00% when Arthur Turner had a win percentage of 55.10%. The all time winner is Frank Brettiell in the 1890s with 65.38%.

The figures are listed on a table on this Wikipedia page.

PS Postecoglou didn't make the cut for the table.

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He only just missed it though. His win percentage with Spurs, is 46.53, which given the injury crisis in his second season, is not that shabby if you're able to look at it objectively.

Keith Burkinshaw's is 42.23% for example. (I'm not claiming he's a better manager than Burkinshaw I hasten to add. Although I will point out a large number of the General's wins did came in the old 2nd division...).

For the record George Graham and Juande Ramos' win percentages while they were at Spurs, were 37.0% and 38.89% respectively. So much worse than Ange, despite the minor trophy wins.

Tomas Frank's by the way was 26.9%...

 

[McCOYS]

Tomas Frank's by the way was 26.9%...

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Igor Tudor is 14,3%.

I wonder if that beats Postecoglou's Nottingham Forest tenure?

Oh, I just checked it's 0.00%.

 

[Phomesy]

Would like to wish all of you lovely chaps a happy anniversary. Today is finally that glorious day, the one year anniversary of Ange Postecoglou’s final league win in the Premier League!
View: https://youtu.be/ysm9UD-etIY?si=5-gEun0ab7vQhG1L

A 3-1 victory over relegated Soton, including a controversial Tel penalty with Johnson on a hat trick.

Anyway, drink it in. It was the final Premier League victory of Ange’s illustrious career. Despite playing 12 further Premier League matches after this win, he was sadly unable to come up with a single victory, getting only 2 points from 12 matches across his stints with Spurs and Forest. Ange lost 10 of his next 12 matches in the League, unfortunately - but at least he was able to beat Southampton!

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A win in the Premier League after New Years Day?

I'd cut your balls off in a second for that right now!

 

[McCOYS]

Tomas Frank's by the way was 26.9%...

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If you're only counting league matches yes, here's Postecoglou's second season version of that 28.95%

So maybe we can all unite now and agree they were both shite.

I did think Postecoglou had a good first season overall but look at Leicester they win the PL 2016 and sack the manager 2017 for being close to relegation.

It's an unforgiving position to be a football manager.

 

[Phomesy]

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[Phomesy]

If we count win percentage rather than trophies then AVB is the best manager we had since 1946 with 55.00% when Arthur Turner had a win percentage of 55.10%. The all time winner is Frank Brettiell in the 1890s with 65.38%.

The figures are listed on a table on this Wikipedia page.

PS Postecoglou didn't make the cut for the table.

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Only a fucking idiot would value Win percentage over an actual European Trophy that lives forever and is tangible.

As someone has already pointed out Postecoglou has a better win% than the great Keith Burkinshaw. People who WIN ACTUAL THINGS are better than those who only win table position. This isn't hard.

I told you these Derangers would have cunted Burkinshaw and Hoddle off after 77. Vile people with absolutely zero idea about what actually counts in football.

 

[Phomesy]

He only just missed it though. His win percentage with Spurs, is 46.53, which given the injury crisis in his second season, is not that shabby if you're able to look at it objectively.

Keith Burkinshaw's is 42.23% for example. (I'm not claiming he's a better manager than Burkinshaw I hasten to add. Although I will point out a large number of the General's wins did came in the old 2nd division...).

For the record George Graham and Juande Ramos' win percentages while they were at Spurs, were 37.0% and 38.89% respectively. So much worse than Ange, despite the minor trophy wins.

Tomas Frank's by the way was 26.9%...

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Facts and common sense slaying Derangers left right and centre. Well played Sir!

 

[Phomesy]

29 to go...

Thanks to JDefoe for reminding us that we used to be a club that could win in the league post Xmas.

Thanks to McCOYS for reminding us that winning trophies is so much better than just some poxy win%.

Keep going Derangers. We're getting there!

 

[JDefoe]

A win in the Premier League after New Years Day?

I'd cut your balls off in a second for that right now!

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The feeling is mutual my friend

 

[Shadydan]

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[McCOYS]

29 to go...

Thanks to JDefoe for reminding us that we used to be a club that could win in the league post Xmas.

Thanks to McCOYS for reminding us that winning trophies is so much better than just some poxy win%.

Keep going Derangers. We're getting there!

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I remember the season when Wigan won the FA Cup and got relegated, I wonder in the big scheme of things whether they'd prefer that trophy over a greater win % and more opportunity to establish themselves as a Premier League club?

I suppose every supporter has their priorities, mine is to see the team win more games than they lose. I don't want a dreadful depressing season losing match after match with or without a trophy at the end of it.

I didn't start watching football or supporting Spurs to see the team lift trophies, I like the part of the game when we're playing great football and winning the majority of the matches, a trophy after 22 league defeats doesn't rectify the misery of observing that season.

It's nothing against Postecoglou in particular, I never want to see a season like that one or this one again.

 

[McCOYS]

Only a fucking idiot would value Win percentage over an actual European Trophy that lives forever and is tangible.

As someone has already pointed out Postecoglou has a better win% than the great Keith Burkinshaw. People who WIN ACTUAL THINGS are better than those who only win table position. This isn't hard.

I told you these Derangers would have cunted Burkinshaw and Hoddle off after 77. Vile people with absolutely zero idea about what actually counts in football.

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Well in your eyes I must be an idiot then.

I prefer to watch the team win most of their matches, than to lose most of them and win a trophy. I like watching the actual sport not the parade.

Regarding Burkinshaw, he's liked because he won many trophies, and kept the team in reasonable shape in the league. The relegation season was down to the previous manager. Wow, imagine that!

There were good players to watch when Burkinshaw was manager, it's them I liked not him. IIRC we were a sort of upper mid table team that had good cup runs, and skilful players.

 

[Phomesy]

It's nothing against Postecoglou in particular, I never want to see a season like that one or this one again.

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Then I suggest you find a way to stop us getting an entire first 11 out via long term injury for great swathes of the season.

That, more than anything else (apart from the 2024 Summer Transfer window) is the cause of all our ills in the last two seasons. Not Postegolou nor, even, Thomas Frank.

It's staggering how many people still fail to understand this very simple and obvious reality.

 

[McCOYS]

Then I suggest you find a way to stop us getting an entire first 11 out via long term injury for great swathes of the season.

That, more than anything else (apart from the 2024 Summer Transfer window) is the cause of all our ills in the last two seasons. Not Postegolou nor, even, Thomas Frank.

It's staggering how many people still fail to understand this very simple and obvious reality.

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Well I just don't think Frank could manage a big team, the players probably dominated him.

The problem with Postecoglou and his injuries in the second season, can be explained with a little bit of focus on the Tamworth cup match.

Tamworth's defenders aren't even as good as our team's stand in defenders, but for the 90 minutes they held their own, why, how? They played a canny match and didn't spend the whole time piling forward like berserkers, they had a quick start to try and catch us out and then settled into a more conservative way of playing, they simply ran out of steam in extra time.

Our team with our injuries but still with better defenders than Tamworth have piled forward in so many PL matches when we should have been canny, like Tamworth were against us for 90 minutes But no, just like the Chelsea match when we were down to 9 men. piling forward like hot headed nut cases.