Its wild how that first season 5th built on the shock of the new and the low block against deardful teams and a trophy have cemented the idea in some he can't have been bad. He was terrible, that we had a fast start and he was bullied by the players into abandoning his own system the form subsequently at Spurs the spell at Forest it's not an illusion invented by people that dont like him (I don't happy to admit it) he just isnt a very good coach neither is Frank two things can be true.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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And yet achieved more than many many other managers who has managed at this club in the Prem, including better and more decorated coaches like Conte and seeing as you mentioned him what progress did Conte make?, we finished 8th in the season prior and Kane was sold, then Ange got us 5th??
The almost argument doesn't count, I could easily say he almost secured CL football in his first season in that case, never mind he got it in his 2nd though...
Also lols not yet another manager fired from Spurs without being backed properly, just as well we've moved onto bigger and better things this season then isn't it
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And people had the temerity to claim with a straight bat that there was no Ange Cult
Absolute nonsense.And people had the temerity to claim with a straight bat that there was no Ange Cult
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It's not a notion. At literally no time were we threatened with relegation. It's not a feeling, it's fact.
I do agree with your premise though, that losing 20+ games does leave you open to vagaries of luck, but...
We really don't know how the approach would have been in the league HAD we been genuinely threatened with the drop. Had we been closer, would VDV and Romero played more often? Would the demeanour of the players have been different if their actual league standing was threatened?
For all we know, had the points margin been a lot closer, they'd have prioritised the league and climbed out of trouble.
None of us knows how it would have panned out, we only know it didn't and we put the majority of our effort into the trophy run.
There's an awful lot of "could a, woulda, shoulda" in this thread, reliving the past in alternative scenarios when the facts are all there laid out for us to see.
Fact 1: We were never in danger of relegation.
Fact 2: We won the trophy we prioritised, ending a 40 year drought.
Fact 3: The league form was unacceptable, to a club of our stature, so he was sacked as a result.
Fact 4: Nothing improved under Frank, nothing. If anything it got worse.
Fact 5: Tudor. Absolute collapse.
We don't know if AP staying would have been better, worse or the same as it has been this season, so you're all arguing for the sake of arguing, thinking your fantasy is more realistic than the other bloke's fantasy, but it's all fantasy.
With all that's going on with the club, you'd think you lot would have something more important to focus on than arguing over fantasy scenarios.
Its not fantasy though mate he proved to be a terrible manager.
Well done for completely missing the point.
Re : The Shock of the New :
Robert Hughes gets far too little respect round here imho .
My guy - I suggest you look up our xG and xGA metrics in the first 12 matchdays of the 24/25 season - right up until Vicario got injured meaning 4 of our starting Back 5 would barely appear in the league for 3 months.
Hint: we were doing just fine - and the comparison with this current season is just embarrassing.
That's what De Zerbi wanted to return too. And rightly so.
I can't quite believe you've been sucked back into this thread but I'm so totally here for it
Anyway this is your regular reminder that this is a thread for people who like winning stuff and staying in the Premier League.
Derangers who like winning fuck all and and almost certainly got us relegated until De Zerbi said "don't listen to Derangers - play like you did under Postecoglou"...
Those guys suck and need to beg forgiveness.
Or just not be in this thread
Derangers who like winning fuck all and and almost certainly got us relegated until De Zerbi said "don't listen to Derangers - play like you did under Postecoglou"...
Those guys suck and need to beg forgiveness.
Or just not be in this thread
8th with 14 losses, with prime Kane and Son.
That was the progress was it?
Fuck me - Derangers pretending like 22/23 was a golden era when they were hating Conte for his shite football and wanting him sacked - like they want every manager sacked because they are fucking deranged and wrong about everything.
It was Postecoglou who got us playing FOOTBALL again just as its De Zerbi desperately trying to get us back to those small gains in an era when we've sold Kane and Son for a bunch of hacks and kids.
Be more like De Zerbi who HATES DERANGERS.
Choose life. Choose hope. Choose good football.
They are so Deranged they refuse to see a perfectly neutral point well made.
Probably best you leave this to those of us who derive some small pleasure out of playing this game rather than trying to be "sensible" about it all
I got the point.
Losing 22 games doesn't matter because we coulda shoulda woulda got out of it, if there was a legitimate threat of relegation.
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Really?
Evidently not.
I'd have a bit more respect if you just put tldr.
Not much more, but at least it would clearly show you're lazy rather than stupid...
If stupid means I dont find ridiculous excuses for a manager who loses 22 league games in a season and had to throw half of them because he can't handle two games a week.
So be it.
Fucking love it when Derangers take on Normies in this thread.
Almost as fun as when Derangers take on Derangers in the Frank thread.
Might have to dust off my favourite Skippa18 posts from preseason just to remind him and everyone else just what brilliant footballing acumen these people have... Oh here's a taster
Almost as fun as when Derangers take on Derangers in the Frank thread.
Might have to dust off my favourite Skippa18 posts from preseason just to remind him and everyone else just what brilliant footballing acumen these people have... Oh here's a taster
I didn't take on a Normie whatever the fuck that means, he quoted me.Fucking love it when Derangers take on Normies in this thread.
Almost as fun as when Derangers take on Derangers in the Frank thread.
Might have to dust off my favourite Skippa18 posts from preseason just to remind him and everyone else just what brilliant footballing acumen these people have... Oh here's a taster
I did the same thing regarding your Messiah Ange, I look at the positive things they have done and hope they achieve an even better outcome here. Frank failed miserably like I thought he would.
I didn't want Frank and said so on here, seen as you've been scouring through my posts like some weirdo you probably saw it.
Its the same way De Zerbi has took some of good things from Angeball but actually adapted it so we dont get ripped apart but your heads so far up Anges arse you probably can't even see the difference.
I dont actually get your point with this Frank actually did that and got Brentford promoted despite injuriesFucking love it when Derangers take on Normies in this thread.
Almost as fun as when Derangers take on Derangers in the Frank thread.
Might have to dust off my favourite Skippa18 posts from preseason just to remind him and everyone else just what brilliant footballing acumen these people have... Oh here's a taster
If you'd actually read my post, there wasn't an excuse in sight.
Bravo.