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Manager Antonio Conte

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Airfixx said:
So one flawed guy has 'it' but one doesn't?

........What is it you think that Japh has that Romero doesn't?

The one thing i know Romero has that Japh doesn't is a track record that consists of a lot more than merely the occasional, yet rare, good game.
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I think they both have merits and faults. I've set out my thoughts in previous posts.

I realise I'm throwing the gauntlet down to an extent. I genuinely hope they both come good.

Like I said let's just watch closely and maybe reflect our findings in the ratings. I don't expect to see Tanganga as much as Romero though
 
The Dealer said:
I think they both have merits and faults. I've set out my thoughts in previous posts.
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My specific question seems to slip through the cracks of your prior comments though..... What key attribute gives you hope in Tanganga and yet allows your skepticism in Romero to prevail?

The Dealer said:
I realise I'm throwing the gauntlet down to an extent. I genuinely hope they both come good.

Like I said let's just watch closely and maybe reflect our findings in the ratings. I don't expect to see Tanganga as much as Romero though
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No disrespect; I"m not interested in your player ratings experiment. I've watch every game both have played for us..... I'm asking you on the basis of your current assessment.... Future performances aren't immediately irrelevant.
 
Airfixx said:
My specific question seems to slip through the cracks of your prior comments though..... What key attribute gives you hope in Tanganga and yet allows your skepticism in Romero to prevail?



No disrespect; I"m not interested in your player ratings experiment. I've watch every game both have played for us..... I'm asking you on the basis of your current assessment.... Future performances aren't immediately irrelevant.
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My ratings thread is not an experiment. I've been running it for over 3 years. Romero achieved very high ratings in his first season , right up there with our best. But he has slipped and he is nearer a 6 than a 7 average recently. So my current assessment is that Romero has slipped in performance.

If I were to pick one attribute although both have a few.....it would be perhaps positional awareness for defensive headers. Who is better ? Are they close ? Romero can be too advanced at times whereas Tanganga tends to be more defence minded. I will be watching them both on this.

Both can miss a pass possibly by trying to play out quickly. Again I will be watching.

Silly free kicks in dangerous areas is another.
 
The Dealer said:
I will be watching Romero closely. I can already attribute goals he could have done better for. Recently he turned his back on a shot and watched it whistle past him and Lloris rather than face it up and take it in the balls if need be. He lost Ronaldo and allowed him to head home. He's sometimes out of position and trots back. He's rash in tackles and gives away free kicks needlessly.
I don't rate Romero as highly as some but see something in Tanganga .
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I'm sorry, this shouldn't be a debate at all. If you think Tanganga is comparable to Romero you're either delusional or you don't have a good grasp of football.

If you don't believe what's immediate obvious to the naked eye, look at the stats:

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Player Comparison: Japhet Tanganga vs. Cristian Romero | FBref.com

Player Comparison: Japhet Tanganga vs. Cristian Romero
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KaneIsAble said:
I'm sorry, this shouldn't be a debate at all. If you think Tanganga is comparable to Romero you're either delusional or you don't have a good grasp of football.

If you don't believe what's immediate obvious to the naked eye, look at the stats:

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Player Comparison: Japhet Tanganga vs. Cristian Romero | FBref.com

Player Comparison: Japhet Tanganga vs. Cristian Romero
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Tanganga isn't close to Romero.

Romero is borderline world class. When he's on form consistently he will be one of the very best defenders in the world.
 
KaneIsAble said:
I'm sorry, this shouldn't be a debate at all. If you think Tanganga is comparable to Romero you're either delusional or you don't have a good grasp of football.

If you don't believe what's immediate obvious to the naked eye, look at the stats:

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Player Comparison: Japhet Tanganga vs. Cristian Romero | FBref.com

Player Comparison: Japhet Tanganga vs. Cristian Romero
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It's not a term you often see discussed regarding center backs, but Romero's work rate is absolutely extraordinary. He is everywhere on the pitch and anticipates the play extremely well. Conte asks those outside CB's to be involved in the attacking phase of play more than many managers and Romero fits that bill perfectly.

You want to be careful about reining in his aggressiveness because that's a big part of what makes him special, but he does need to stop finding himself in the book every time out.

Tanganga's just a squad player. Useful as a homegrown but probably a more natural fit further down the table.
 
KaneIsAble said:
I'm sorry, this shouldn't be a debate at all. If you think Tanganga is comparable to Romero you're either delusional or you don't have a good grasp of football.

If you don't believe what's immediate obvious to the naked eye, look at the stats:

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Player Comparison: Japhet Tanganga vs. Cristian Romero | FBref.com

Player Comparison: Japhet Tanganga vs. Cristian Romero
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Of course they are comparable, they play in the same position. I don't think I have said Tanganga is a better player. Just that the good and bad in both needs watching .
There is no need for insults or challenges to my assessment of players. I'm putting it out there for us to watch in the future.
 
The Dealer said:
My ratings thread is not an experiment. I've been running it for over 3 years.
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3 years or 10 years; I don't know what else you'd expect one to call it...... All you're doing is compiling opinion from random quarters. None of it is driven by hard fact.

The Dealer said:
Romero achieved very high ratings in his first season , right up there with our best. But he has slipped and he is nearer a 6 than a 7 average recently. So my current assessment is that Romero has slipped in performance.
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Humoring the relevance of your ratings for a moment; how does Tanganga compare?

The Dealer said:
If I were to pick one attribute although both have a few.....it would be perhaps positional awareness for defensive headers. Who is better ? Are they close ? Romero can be too advanced at times whereas Tanganga tends to be more defence minded. I will be watching them both on this.

Both can miss a pass possibly by trying to play out quickly. Again I will be watching.
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So once you set aside the fact that Conte wants his outside CBs to push high and supplement the attack whenever possible; the prevailing distinction you call here is that Japh is better in the air(*)?

(*A whopping 3% better in a far smaller sample size!)

...That's the prevailing 'it' factor? ......Despite the blatant chasm between the track record of the two?

The Dealer said:
Silly free kicks in dangerous areas is another.
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This is nuts..... Tanganga plays like a tightly wound spring.....

You seem to be chewing around the edges in your assessment of two players whom occupy ctwo ompletely different levels.


Consider they're vaguely the same age and their respective careers so far; If your gut tells you that Japh's career holds the more promise then yikes.
 
The Dealer said:
Of course they are comparable, they play in the same position. I don't think I have said Tanganga is a better player. Just that the good and bad in both needs watching .
There is no need for insults or challenges to my assessment of players. I'm putting it out there for us to watch in the future.
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Then Phil Jones is comparable to Van Dijk, they're both CBs.

Comparing Tanganga to Romero is like comparing Lukaku to Kane. Ok Lukaku is stronger and faster, but in every other way Kane outclasses him by a wide margin.
 
This is not a straight comparison. It's an excersise of comparison. What does each player do well and not so well. What does Tanganga need to do to challenge Romero for a place more often and be a genuine rotation option. ?

I want Tanganga to close the gap. On recent form Romero is closing it himself.
 
The Dealer said:
This is not a straight comparison. It's an excersise of comparison. What does each player do well and not so well. What does Tanganga need to do to challenge Romero for a place more often and be a genuine rotation option. ?

I want Tanganga to close the gap. On recent form Romero is closing it himself.
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You're doing mental gymnastics, is what you're doing.
 
cretinousgoat said:
Absolute warrior.

:contefists:

I do think he'll be gone in the summer though. It seems to me that, from his perspective, there's more reasons to go than to stay. Wouldn't hold it against him either tbh given the shit he's had to deal with. I'd want to be with my family.
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Agree, I think he will give everything to try and go out on a high this season but I don't see any reason for him to stay beyond this summer. The sporting side doesn't match his ambition and on the personal side I doubt he enjoys his life here outside of work. Best for him to finish the season well then return to Italy and enjoy being with his family.
 
StripiestPilot said:
Agree, I think he will give everything to try and go out on a high this season but I don't see any reason for him to stay beyond this summer. The sporting side doesn't match his ambition and on the personal side I doubt he enjoys his life here outside of work. Best for him to finish the season well then return to Italy and enjoy being with his family.
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Is this a 'theory'?
 
Romero is quite obviously a big level up on Tanganga. But I'm not writing Tanganga off yet like some seem to. He is young enough to be learning still and with game time his positional sense will improve.
 
Airfixx said:
And you conclude Tanganga could be that 'Mr Dependable' bases on.............?
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No I conclude Romero isn't. He has been rating lower than Dier or is not our highest rated CB in games.

I've said my piece, now let's observe. You can participate by rating and be part of the measuring of performance. Maybe help us see the good and bad. With Spursplay its a lot easier now, especially with the rewind function.

Ratings are not quite as random as you may think. Newspapers, websites both Spurs and neutral, forum posters all tend to be fairly balanced and regular. Sometimes I include more papers if I can get hold of them via the net.
 
The Dealer said:
No I conclude Romero isn't. He has been rating lower than Dier or is not our highest rated CB in games.

I've said my piece, now let's observe. You can participate by rating and be part of the measuring of performance. Maybe help us see the good and bad. With Spursplay its a lot easier now, especially with the rewind function.

Ratings are not quite as random as you may think. Newspapers, websites both Spurs and neutral, forum posters all tend to be fairly balanced and regular. Sometimes I include more papers if I can get hold of them via the net.
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Ratings?
 
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