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Mate give me a break with this “poor Milan side”. They are worse in the league this season but it’s not like they are midtable or in a relegation fight. Their players looked more comfortable on the ball than Sours players.
Sheff Utd I agree we should have won. But disasters like this have happened before.
What’s the point of comparing net spent...... you can spend less if you spend it wise and sell big. We aren’t doing that though, are we?
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They are 18 points off the top..... 5th only thanks to Juve's points deduction. I saw most of their CL group games and they were poor there too. Semantics of the word "poor" aside; you tell me why we should consider ourselves to be significantly beneath this current AC team.....?
.......Conte's trying to pitch the idea that they're still the beast of a club they were in the 90s/early00s and we're not on their level, but that's bullshit.
Again, he had the gall to whinge about money. (See above figures)
That we didn't play to our strengths..? That we were too passive and they had an easy time of it......? That if only we had the likes of Giroud rather than Kane we'd have shone? That if the manager had shown more balls he wouldn't have slapped those in attendance around the face with the cowardly Sanchez sub?
(FWIW; I'm way more pissed about AC.)
They indeed do happen.. To all teams (Man U vs MK eg?)..... But we're reflecting on Conte's comments here and that you glossed over a vast amount of his self-pitying bullshit (and his attack upon the fans) as actually being "the truth".
(It's heartening to see you bemoaned the club's past lack of luck in your previous post..... I'm wondering if that narrative will be allowed to exist outside of your defense of Conte..... You're not normally so forgiving in your assessment of our shortcomings.)
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We have more than enough quality to beat Sheffield Weds bench warmers. That loss really fanned the flames and then some.
That won't help the 'defense's' case: i assure you.
Out Vs In:
€48m v 13m
€93m v 5m
€31m v 51m
€124m v 59m
(Lets be honest be it gross or spend it's always the other one that peeps claim to be the credible one when presented with the figures.....)
They aren't "selling big" either.... Their 'big' (not big) money signing of 19/20 left for free this summer and they've had just €18m incoming in the last 2 years! Biggest sale in this entire spell was €24m.
Conte (not me!) mentioned not having enough money to compete with the big teams.... Well Conte considers this AC team to be a level (or more?) above us........ Why isn't he bridging that gap considering he's managing a far more expensive team and spent more money then?
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Said in isolation I think you're right, without the context of how things were when he signed up as manager.
But Levy was desperate, Nuno was hopeless, the team looked terrible, attendances were suffering and the despondency was rife. We were 9th, devoid of any plan to see it change and on course to get 57 points at that time (ppg). We'd just lost 3-0 to a poor Man Yoo at home. It was a nadir moment.
Hence the nonsense 18 month contract. Levy was never gonna commit to a Conte who demands the players required to compete and Conte was quite rightly unsure of Levy's ambition. It was totally a union questioned at the time and it's not a surprise it's played out as it has.
So yes you're right, but we've moved forward in terms of squad quality and league position. I don't think that can be denied and Conte gets some credit for that. Everyone is emotional and herd like right now, the pitchforks are out, but in the bigger picture Conte will go down as a positive at Spurs, once the frothing has stopped and Levy's next sucker has crashed and burned.
We need a shitload of quality players and Danjuma, Spence, Davies, Dier, Sanchez, Lenglet, Tanganga, Ndom, LoCelso, Rodon, Reggie, Lucas are not the answer - and that's leaving a few out.
I think at the end of the season it's clearly over, I think we'll go backwards next year and I think we'll struggle medium term to get back into the mix. I also wonder if those who want a fresh start will be prepared to suffer a few seasons without being a top 4 candidate. Will we give our Arteta 3 years to get us back? Do you trust Levy to 1) sign the right manager and 2) back him properly? I don't.
Apples to oranges.
Even if they don’t spend as much as Spurs, they’ll be one of the biggest — top 3 — spenders in Serie A. Without CL football, we’ll be, probably at best, the 6th biggest in the EPL.
Plus we’ll be paying EPL tax on all our purchases — a minimum of 20%.
As it is, Conté won’t win the UCL with Milan but he probably won’t even qualify with Spurs.
None of us are surprised! It´s the tactics, been obvious for a while now.
He needs to go. We need the feel good factor back again. The last three managers have sucked the enjoyment out of watching Spurs play for me. Yeah we win games but the football is godawful to watch. I don't expect us to win every week, to win trophies or the league, I just expect Tottenham to play good football and entertain the crowd. We've not had that for so long it's a shame.
Is Poch the answer? I don't know, I'm not really qualified to give you a correct answer, but Levy has to appoint someone who will play the game the way that Spurs fans demand.
Is Poch the answer? I don't know, I'm not really qualified to give you a correct answer, but Levy has to appoint someone who will play the game the way that Spurs fans demand.
I don’t blame Conte solely for all the ills of this club, but surely he can’t stay after all this latest fracas involving both fans and players.
What a shitshow and bloody awful mess our club is in right now. Cold comfort that we’re at least safe from relegation (I think!
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What a shitshow and bloody awful mess our club is in right now. Cold comfort that we’re at least safe from relegation (I think!
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In all honesty, given the context of what came in the posts before (starting with Conte's own complaints); I don't get your broader contention here.......
You agree with Conte?
AC are out of our proverbial league?
We are financially out-gunned by AC?
(The proverbial EPL tax isn't some blanket thing either....... Of course, it can be a 'thing', but the likes of Porro & Romero had release clause.... It's hard to imagine Juve letting Bentancur & Kulu go any cheaper regardless of where they'd sold them to...... Sarr, & Udogie were low price players with loan back agreements that kept the costs down further..... We sold Bergwign back to the ducth league for exactly what we paid for him.... etc. etc.)
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Just for funzies though:
Serie A - Transfer income and expenditures
This statistic shows, which clubs of the Serie A in the seasons 19/20 to 22/23 had the highest transfer expenditures and/or transfer incomes.
Serie A - Last four years.
Spend: 5th
Sales: 11th
Current league position: 5th (should be 6th - see Juve)..... V.unlikely to be in the CL next season.
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I’m just pointing out that in Italy you can do more with less.
Antonio Conte admits that the Tottenham fans' patience is 'finished' amid team's struggles
The Tottenham Hotspur boss has been speaking about the atmosphere at the club and among the supporters after a difficult week
Alasdair Gold
Antonio Conte has been speaking ahead of Tottenham's Premier League match against Nottingham Forest
Antonio Conte believes that the patience of the Tottenham fans is "finished" after another season without a trophy.
Spurs fans booed at half-time and full-time of the muted display that saw their team exit the Champions League at the hands of AC Milan on Wednesday night. They also booed Conte's last substitution with centre-back Davinson Sanchez coming on for the more attacking Dejan Kulusevski after Cristian Romero's red card.
When asked what he made of the atmosphere and the boos that night at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, after a week in which Spurs were knocked meekly out of the FA Cup as well as European competition to make it 15 years since their last trophy, Conte made his feelings clear.
"It's not on me to say if the atmosphere is good or not good, and for sure and I continue to tell you that here the patience has finished for the fans," he said. "The fans want to win trophy. Stop.
"And then you have to find the right solution to make the fans happy and to win trophy in the future, because the patience of the fans has finished, and we feel this. I feel this. The players feel this. For sure this does not help the situation because there are many players in this moment, also young players that are playing, and they need to improve and go step by step to grow.
"We facing a difficult situation also with the injuries – important players that stay out. Lloris, Bentancur, Sessegnon is out, Bissouma is out for the rest of the season. If we undervalue this situation....I think that in every moment, we have to try to create the right atmosphere to help the team, to help the players.
"Because I repeat – in my opinion, also against Milan, they [the players] tried to give everything. Then you weren’t able to go to the next round against a team that won the league last season (he shrugs).
"We are trying to go step by step and to build something important but if you don’t have patience and it is not useful, this. You understand? It’s un-useful, this. In my opinion. For this reason, we have to try to stay together until the end for this season, and to help the players to stay together, to fight, to try to make the best possible position and then, for sure … [pauses] I don’t know what happens. I don’t know what happens."
Conte is widely expected to leave Spurs when his contract ends this season, although the club do have an option to extend it by 12 months. There have been some suggestions that if results continue to spiral and a top four spot looks in doubt then his exit could come sooner.
The Italian maintains that the club fully understands his situation and what's going on with the team even if the fans have lost their patience.
"I said the club knows very well the situation. The situation is not simple. It’s not easy. I repeat because the environment [the fans] wants to win and in this moment we are not close to do it, in my opinion, ok, yes? This is the reality," he said.
"There is no patience. I ask for time and patience but I see that the patience has finished. Maybe the fans are right, but you don’t build the win in one day, in two days. It’s difficult for me to realise this situation. It’s difficult because I am putting everything, me and the staff, to help the club, to try to build something, but at the same time I understand that maybe it’s not enough."
He added: "The club has the patience, but the problem is the club also has to make the fans [patient] because the fans for many, many years are waiting to win something and then you have to find the right balance. I understand that it's not easy for the club, not easy to invest a lot of money and you are sure to win.
"Maybe your probability improves but we know we have to fight against top, top teams who put a lot of money into this. You have to create the right atmosphere. Not only to invest and to put money to sign new players. This is not the only way to win. To win is to create the right atmosphere, the right unity, the right spirit, to be solid, for everybody to have the same idea.
"To put pressure on ourselves, to stay under stress, to be fatigued and in this way you are preparing the club to win, or you have to believe in a miracle and there is a big, big job to do here. Okay? But I am seeing that there is no patience. I can put it all on myself but I don’t want to kill myself."
Conte admits that his past, having won five top flight league titles in Italy and England, means that expectations are high when he comes into a job.
"The problem for me is only one - that every club where I coached, I won. Expectation has always been very, very high," he said. "I remember very well when I arrived at this club everybody said, ‘Now we have Conte - he won in the past, so now we are going to win!’
"But we have to win together. We have to create the right situation. I can teach you the path to win, but you have to follow me, and have patience. I need time and patience and I understood I had that. Maybe I do have time, because the club can give me that, but I think there is no patience at the club.
"I repeat that makes the situation really, really difficult for me. Maybe my past penalises me, you understand? If I was a coach who was a good coach but without a win in my career, I think it would be the perfect situation to enjoy working and growing together.
"But my past is different. My past brings expectation, high expectation. Then if I understand it, I will become the first person to [target]. I don’t want to kill myself. I am really happy to work here and stay here, but at the same time, I have to take all the considerations, also for myself. If I have to put the stress and pressure only to myself, it is not right."
At that point, Conte began to rise from his seat, saying: "Yeah. Right. Okay? Thank you very much."
He walked out of the room and Tottenham fans will no doubt be left wondering whether the Italian is heading towards a more permanent exit in the weeks ahead.
I can’t stand him anymore.
He always needs an enemy and this time it‘s going to be the fans? That’s going to go over great during the game. Honestly, is he trying to get fired?
The football absolutely sucks. There is some real trash in this team but I don’t think we’re anywhere near as bad collectively as we appear.
The real joke is that he keeps saying that he needs time and patience, but we all know he’s gone this summer at the absolute latest. He has no intention on being here any longer than that but will keep up the act so he can play the victim.
Read what ever you like into Conte’s interview and maybe he has a valid point or two but it will always come down to the shit boring football we are served week in week out.
That is the fans issue end of.
No one was expecting a miracle but also no one was expecting the lifeless performances, shit team selections and shit substitutions.
We want to compete but we also want to be entertained.
Removing Kulu and replacing him with Sanchez in a game where we desperately needed a goal has nothing to do with fans being patient, it’s about wanting you to stop being a clueless boring prick.
Playing Son every game for 90 mins when he is worse than poor form has nothing to do with expecting miracles, it’s about wanting a manager who can learn from mistakes and see what us fans see.
Stop blaming everyone else and take a look in the mirror.
That is the fans issue end of.
No one was expecting a miracle but also no one was expecting the lifeless performances, shit team selections and shit substitutions.
We want to compete but we also want to be entertained.
Removing Kulu and replacing him with Sanchez in a game where we desperately needed a goal has nothing to do with fans being patient, it’s about wanting you to stop being a clueless boring prick.
Playing Son every game for 90 mins when he is worse than poor form has nothing to do with expecting miracles, it’s about wanting a manager who can learn from mistakes and see what us fans see.
Stop blaming everyone else and take a look in the mirror.
“I remember very well when I arrived, everybody said: ‘Now we have Conte, he won in the past so now we are going to win,’” he said. “But we have to win together. We have to create the right situation. If I was a good coach but without a win in my career, I think it would be the perfect situation to enjoy working and growing together. But my past is different. It brings high expectation. Maybe it penalises me.”
I think this part is absolutely true and is why we need to stop hiring managers like him and Mourinho. Managers who have won the biggest trophies should not come here because they bring grand expectations and we simply do not have a chairman who wants to match them.
Conte has made a lot of mistakes but he was always doomed to fail. The chairman’s ambition is 4th place. The coach’s ambition is 1st place. That can never, ever work.
I think this part is absolutely true and is why we need to stop hiring managers like him and Mourinho. Managers who have won the biggest trophies should not come here because they bring grand expectations and we simply do not have a chairman who wants to match them.
Conte has made a lot of mistakes but he was always doomed to fail. The chairman’s ambition is 4th place. The coach’s ambition is 1st place. That can never, ever work.
Not if they produce nothing .
Richy fee was madness
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Great post, Every word bang on the money.
The Dealer . Another great post. Well done mate for standing up to the baying mob yesterday. Nearly every poster attacking you yesterday will have been screaming for Pochs head, Jose's head, just as they're screaming for Conte's head now and the next managers head in another 18 months or so.
Herd mentality at its finest.
I'd prefer to back a manager with a history of winning and who wants the club to change it's losing mentality and learn from past mistakes.... than a chairman with a history of losing, cementing our banter club status, and telling us how winning is so hard...
Such a predictable turn of events
Anyway. Long drive in front of us.
Come on Antonio and the boys!!!!!
SpiderSpurs
,I'm hopefully gonna be there around 1-30 
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We got fourth because Woolwich imploded following us beating them. It was still in their hands.
Royal has bucked his ideas up because we spent (or plan to spend) £45m on a rival for his place. Conte was on sick leave as most of this happened.
Skipp has barely featured under Conte, and is playing now out of necessity. Dier and Davies already played at this standard before Conte, and make no mistake Dier has made many mistakes under Contes reign. Hoijberg has played well at times, I'll give you that. But is that Conte or is that him being more adventurous? He does this for Denmark.
And the Kane assist comment is crazy. Jose unlocked much of their partnership - the vast majority of the now record assist combo happened before Conte arrived.
Potter is atrocious for a big team. but likely that's exactly your point
and it's PARATICI