Mourinho never would have played Messi
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Mourinho never would have played Messi
But some players are better coming from the cold while others need a run of games to get into form.
Cant help but wonder whether Ed Cavani would have been a better fit for us than Vinny. Cant blame Vinny for any of our struggles but damn... Cavani would have been just what we needed
Most likely a better fit but willingness to join may have been an issue.
Benfica fan in peace here!
Bored with my club's shit performance this season, so might as well investigate what's happening with some of our on-loan players at other clubs, so I don't have to think about this season at Benfica.
Well, that's not really true, is it?
Look at the top team in the PL now, how many players did they get from the Championship post-dirty oil money, and how many do they currently have from the Portuguese League, all ex-Benfica? (Bernardo Silva, Cancelo, Ederson, Ruben Dias).
Or the impact Bruno Fernandes is having at Man. Utd... or the 750 players Wolves bought from Portugal once they became friends with Jorge Mendes and how they transformed the club? I could give many more examples. The Championship is a great league, far better than any other 2nd tier league, but come on...
Regarding Vinicius, I read the last few pages of this topic, and this a reply to those who already saw enough of him and know that he's rubbish.
Comparing Raul Jimenez and Vinicius:
- Jimenez first season at a top european league (At. Madrid, age 23) was a complete failure. 27 games (all comps), 1 goal
- Vinicius' first half season at an almost top european league (Monaco, age 23) was rubbish. 16 games (just the league), 2 goals. Napoli doesn't count, they bought him for 5M euros with the only objective of loaning out right away, he didn't stay 1 minute there. First went to Rio Ave and in January to Monaco.
- Jimenez was then sold to Benfica after just season 1 season in Spain
- Vinicius was then sold to Benfica after just 1 year of his contract with Napoli
- Jimenez scored 18 goals in the league in 3 seasons for Benfica (80 games). 31 in 120, all comps, he scored a few in the cup against low tier teams. Overall rubbish.
- Vinicius scored 18 goals in the league in 1 season for Benfica (32 games). 24 in 47, all comps. No penalties if I remember correctly. Overall good/very good.
- Jimenez, age 27, after not doing anything of note in Europe, then went on loan to Wolves, buy-out clause +-40M euros. He did great, the 40M ended up being a huge bargain.
- Vinicius, age 25, then went on load to Spurs, buy-out clause +-40M euros. He's not doing great, obviously Spurs won't buy him. Some fans think he should move to a farmer's league.
So similar situations once they got to the top tiers in Europe, but Vinicius did much better up until leaving Benfica, and he's younger. In football, things are never as linear as "Napoli didn't want him, so he's rubbish" or "so and so scored x goals for club A, he'd be great for us".
Look at Luka Jovic, he used to be in our B-team when Jimenez was there, played about 20 minutes total in the league, complete non-entity. Then the following season went on loan to Frankfurt to become one of the world's top strikers, R.Madrid paid 60 million for him... Only to become rubbish again at Madrid, and once again great for Frankfurt after moving in the past transfer window lol
You need to have a coach and a system that is compatible with the players. They can go from being amazing to rubbish or vice-versa just by changing clubs/managers. It's still the same player!
I don't know if Vinicius is good enough for Spurs, honestly probably not, it's been my opinion since he moved. However, I used to think the same about Raul Jimenez, when he went to Wolves. I was 100% sure Wolves wouldn't activate the buy-out clause, I thought it was a fucking joke. But he got to a club that plays in a positive way, with a coach who understands how to play Jimenez effectively. Something he probably never got at Benfica, we had a lot of decent players to choose from back then, effectively spoiled for choice and we made some bad choices. Jimenez is clearly better than what he showed at my club.
The opposite can be said about Vinicius, decent system and team mates for him at Benfica where he could shine, and now at Spurs he gets a neurotic and paranoid coach with massive insecurity issues, who obviously plays in a way that most forwards would struggle. Not to mention Mou's amazing and highly motivating man-management skills. Is Dele Alli that rubbish or is Mourinho a defensive paranoid lunatic? Were Salah and De Bruyne rubbish or was Mourinho a defensive paranoid lunatic at Chelsea? So maybe Vinicius is not Harry Kane mk2 (who is?), maybe he's not as good as Jimenez (different style of play, but who knows...), but he could probably be much more effective in a different environment.
Bruno Fernandes would now be a defensive midfielder with 0 goals and 27 yellow cards had he signed for a Mourinho team.Sign Pickford, his T-Rex arms make him the perfect goalkeeper for a Jurassic coach.
Thanks for coming and posting.
BTW your opening para would sum up most Spurs fans atm, so lots of empathy with you.
Please don't take offence about my comments on the Portuguese League - like the Netherlands League its no longer got lots of top players in it and not as physically demanding as PL is.
However the comments certainly don't mean or imply that you don't have a number of good players in your league or indeed the Netherlands League, it just means that in Championship there are quite a few good players (often British as 70% of players in PL are not so a number of good British players play in the next league down) with the players used to playing in an intense, physically demanding league with the added advantage that if the players are good enough they often can fulfill part of the HG requirement that Spurs (and some other PL teams) struggle with.
By the way to show you I do appreciate Portuguese players, if you can persuade Jiminez and Neves to sign for Spurs in the summer, I'd be very grateful
Good luck for the rest of the season (except if we meet in EL of course !)
And feel free to post again
No worries, no offence takenThanks for coming and posting.
BTW your opening para would sum up most Spurs fans atm, so lots of empathy with you.
Please don't take offence about my comments on the Portuguese League - like the Netherlands League its no longer got lots of top players in it and not as physically demanding as PL is.
However the comments certainly don't mean or imply that you don't have a number of good players in your league or indeed the Netherlands League, it just means that in Championship there are quite a few good players (often British as 70% of players in PL are not so a number of good British players play in the next league down) with the players used to playing in an intense, physically demanding league with the added advantage that if the players are good enough they often can fulfill part of the HG requirement that Spurs (and some other PL teams) struggle with.
By the way to show you I do appreciate Portuguese players, if you can persuade Jiminez and Neves to sign for Spurs in the summer, I'd be very grateful
Good luck for the rest of the season (except if we meet in EL of course !)
And feel free to post again
And you're right, the physicality, tactics and general atmosphere of the Championship makes it very compatible with the PL. But if you need that extra artistic flair that all the top teams have, I think it's unlikely that you'll find it there.
Regarding Netherlands and Portugal, while the level is somewhat similar, there's a big difference. The Dutch league is almost every year the one with most goals per game in Europe. While the Portuguese league is consistently the one with the least goals per game. People don't realize how defensive-minded most teams are (look at our national team, Mourinho would be proud of that boring shit). So forward players don't have an easy life here, while in the Netherlands they have a lot more space.
Woolwich will knock us out of the EL, so there's also that to look forward to...
I still remember when we beat them (and completely outplayed them) 3-1 at Highbury Park, back in 1991, last season of the "old" European Cup (1-1 in Lisbon 1st leg). Good times...edit: Ah, you have autocorrect for your red neighbours, fair enough
You will beat Woolwich. Honestly
Exactly but according to a number he’s a flop played 14 games mostly cup or bit-part appearances scored 6 goals how that’s a flop I don’t know?
Probably but then he would be sat on the bench more than he is at Utd. Hard for any striker to play as little as Vinicius does and still retain sharpness.
Unless we show a willingness to put another striker on the pitch with Kane we'll always have this issue.
We said cavani but had loads on here saying hes past it
Cavani was never going to come here, both because of the salary and the competition with Kane. No top striker is going to come here just to be his dogsbody.
Vinicius has been fine for what he is. A loan player who can save Kane from starting matches against the fodder in the cup competitions. He’s not really shown any sign he’s good enough to play regularly in the PL but that’s not what he’s here for. He’s here to stop Kane having to play against Marine.
This guy, this guy can stay...
Goal machine
Some of you are very easily pleased, ok so he scored a goal, his performance in that half was dreadful. He offered us nothing in terms of a target man, watch the way Kane links up the play, brings others into it and his movement and then watch Vinny hiding behind the CB offering fuck all.
I don't blame the lad he is clearly a trier but you get what you pay for and this bloke will never be good enough.
Don't even care that he got a poachers finish tonight even if he did take it rather tidily.
I don't blame the lad he is clearly a trier but you get what you pay for and this bloke will never be good enough.
Don't even care that he got a poachers finish tonight even if he did take it rather tidily.
We should have gone for Callum Wilson, he has premier league experience and is levels above Vinny.