City v Spurs 19/20 ratings and ramblings

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The way we play 100% does matter if it's indicative of how we will approach big games all season. Let's face it if we lost that 5-0 we couldn't have grumbled.

But we didn't lose 5-0.

I am not sure it is indicative of how we will approach big games all season. We were playing against a fresh, hungry City team out for revenge. Of course we know we do not have the quality they do and going out with our backs to the wall ensured we didn't get our backsides penetrated!

Not often I agree with Blakey on here but he's spot on with this one. Set up was terrible from the off and other then the 15 minute spell after our first goal, we looked like a league 1 side clinging on against a side in the prem.

And we did cling on and work hard the entire game. Had we tried to play attractive football against them, we would have lost.

I think Poch approached this game as a 'must not lose' and will be very pleased with the result. That isn't a lack of ambition - that is playing away to the best squad in world football and coming away having taken 2 points away from out main rival for the title - in a league with 36 games still left to play.

If we do not drop stupid points to the likes of Southampton, Burnley, West Ham this season - this represents a significant result in the title race.
 
I just don't buy this. This is separating the result from the performance IMO. Result was good, performance was in most ways utter garbage. We conceded ball, territory, chances, good chances and created absolutely fuck all, I doubt if anyone will get much below the x/g of 0.11 we managed throughout the season. I looked back through last season and only Everton equalled that against City all last season. Nobody created less. A shot from outside the box and one set-piece header.

There was a 20 minute spell before half time where we seemed to be managing the game slightly better, but the taking off of Winks just reduced us to bus parking nothingness.

Jose made a career out of it tbf.

(Winks off cut our bollocks off for sure tho...)
 
Was not looking forward to this match as expected nothing from it. Wanted to get through 20 mins without conceding. Well nearly did it. However how many times do we not start playing until we go behind. Is it Poch's problem or is their a collective mentality in the players. The times I have moaned when we concede points when we are so dominant but this was the other way around. Fully expected MC to score even as late as added mins. No one really played well and collectively they must accept that.
We have 1 more point than I expected at this stage but need to wait and see if we lose any players in transfer window and have to integrate new players and those returning from injury that missed pre season. Will be a couple of months before I expect us to be playing well.
Positives from match 1 point and no obvious injuries
Negatives We are light years behind MC.

We are not light years behind MC. If we can have a midfielder that can get the ball from our CBS and FBs and get it up the pitch to our wings and forwards without losing the ball then we are on equal footing with MC. A CM that can handle the press.

Having watched GLC for Argentina at the Copa America this summer, I am optimistic that he could be the guy we need in the midfield.
 
We are not light years behind MC. If we can have a midfielder that can get the ball from our CBS and FBs and get it up the pitch to our wings and forwards without losing the ball then we are on equal footing with MC. A CM that can handle the press.

Having watched GLC for Argentina at the Copa America this summer, I am optimistic that he could be the guy we need in the midfield.
You have got to be kidding. You think GLC coming good puts us on equal footing with City??

I’m not saying we should kowtow to them or anything, but it would take a massive blow-up from City for us not to finish 10+ points back of them.
 
I just don't buy this. This is separating the result from the performance IMO. Result was good, performance was in most ways utter garbage. We conceded ball, territory, chances, good chances and created absolutely fuck all, I doubt if anyone will get much below the x/g of 0.11 we managed throughout the season. I looked back through last season and only Everton equalled that against City all last season. Nobody created less. A shot from outside the box and one set-piece header.

There was a 20 minute spell before half time where we seemed to be managing the game slightly better, but the taking off of Winks just reduced us to bus parking nothingness.

Just a question of degree I guess. ManCity were always going to be superior with the players they have after spending a billion or so over the last few years, and certainly in the first half, any form of heat map would show a backs to the wall situation for Spurs.

With the players fit, not sure Poch had too many other choices to start, although I'd have preferred something with a real CM 3 rather than the CM2 we got. And maybe Lamela told to go wide occasionally as we were set up to be very narrow (hence pressure on FB's)

Absolutely agree Winks should have stayed on and possibly Eriksen (ineffective v City) or Lamela hooked for Moura to come on.

Dier for Sissoko at the same time would have also been an option to get better control of midfield and more protection to defence by having 3 CM's (Sissoko really wasn't doing that role) - by the end of this season I would probably suggest Skipp for his better passing etc over Dier but possibly too soon v City yesterday (even though Poch brought him on in the last few minutes).

Would have liked Mura on before he did to stretch City.

For all noise about City and us having an XG of 0.11, City were restricted to 10 shots on target from which they scored from 2 - I'm not convinced they had a lot of good quality opportunities though and maybe the XG number was not as representative of the match as it might have been.

But we certainly had some luck that we scored two and didn't concede more.
 
Lamela MOTM for me. He buggered up a few times but at least he had the fighting spirit and fearlessness to have a go. Moura too. Sanchez best in defence and I think KWP did ok. Baptism of fire and all that. It does seem that the fastest legs fair the best against city.

The positives for me are that we were clinical enough to punish them with two goals - their defence wasn't all that yesterday. Tbh it was worth it just to see the admittedly brilliant De Bruyne looking annoyed again. That guy really does think they are masters of the universe and hates it when we piss on their chips. And the pundits love saying De Bruyne. Gets on my tits. De Bruyne, De Bruyne....sounds like Zebedee if you say it repeatedly.

Their pressing was unbelievable though and we were wise to go Mourinho style and batten down the hatches as best we could. In the past we'd probably have tried to play them at their own game and lost. But it's a sign of maturity that the manager and players recognised that the team was not functioning at full capacity and adjusted accordingly. We sure didn't look good doing it but seeing 2 - 2 away against them gives me bloody good vibes.
 
It doesn't matter how 'well' we played. What matters is the result - and holding City to a draw at the Etihad is massive for us. CITY gave 101% in that game and threw everything they had at us - and probably wanted this game to be a revenge attack for the ECL.

Poch and the squad held them to a draw - which we should consider a victory of sorts. They will be frustrated and annoyed with this result and we have got the psychological victory.

Let's see how many other teams go to the Etihad this season and pick up a point.
 
Sissoko out yonder has proved a almighty nothingness. Dog gone it how many times is big daddy Poch seeing that you can't bull whip a raccoon.
A great point but mercy me we used all Kitty lifes up today brothers.
 
Just strange tactics all round with little care for changing it for long periods when it was clear it wasn't working.

Very strange, but Poch got away with it big time. Luckily, we won't have to play City away again this season (touch wood)

Sanchez MOTM for me. That second half performance was brilliant.
It’s weird. I agree completely with what you are saying about Poch’s tactics but at the same time those head scratching tactics seemed to bring me what I asked for.

Before the game I asked for us not to concede with in the first 10-15 minutes, and also not to concede any errors leading to a goal.

Somehow in spite of IMO one of Poch’s worst tactical performances to date , that gave us little to no fluidity or fight, we still ended up coming away from this game with a sense of pride.

I feel much more safe going in to big games now. This was probably the hardest fixture on paper that we will play this season, and there was no capitulation in site.

Long may it continue, and as you have mentioned else where I think with son/dele/Lo celso/Sessegnon to come in to this team we have reason to be excited.
 
Deja Poo

It's really, really hard to see the logic in the way Poch set us up today. What's troubling is how many times we say this about games against City, or big games in general. The way way we initially set up and played, was so fucking naive it's hard to comprehend. Like Poch has never seen them, let alone been mullered by them several times the same way.

City are the one team who you absolutely know how they are going to play. They play 433 and look to move you around in midfield, pull players out of position and manipulate you into creating wide overloads. Without the ball they squeeze the shit out of you, try to hem you in and force you to turn over possession, again meaning they can overload.

If the plan with the 4231 was to actually try and take the game to City then it failed miserably. We needed to play much higher, be tactically cohesive and aggressive, press like ferocious cunts ourselves. Instead we sat back, Winks and Ndombele got horribly outnumbered by City's 3 in midfield easily, DeBruyne and Gundogan continually finding space between lines, Eriksen and Sissoko repeatedly lost runners in wide areas, KWP particularly (but also Rose) was horribly exposed - even Neville picked out Sissoko as needing to cover and track more in his commentary.

Playing a CM2 against City's CM3 is never a great idea, even if we had two Kante's in there, but we didn't even have one. It was really naive stuff. I also don't get why he didn't put Lamela on one of the wide positions, where his willingness to track and tackle might have been more use and have Eriksen through the centre, where his brain and composure on the counter might have been more viable.

If the plan on the other hand was to contain and counter, that was equally inept, we certainly didn't contain and we didn't counter once effectively. Had three fucking shots in 96 minutes. And one of them was a header from one of our two corners. I've seen bottom half clubs make a better fist of bus parking and countering there.

I don't even think this City were at their scintillating best, they didn't have to be. We were lucky to still be in it by the time we equalised, but the goal and Poch adjusting to a kind of 4141 - at least without the ball - saw us improve bit, and we did actually get some kind of faint foothold in the game for the last 20 minutes of that first half, passes were actually made between our own players, and that half actually finished up with us having 48% of the ball (although we did also inconveniently concede another gaol during this phase).

If the first half was a bit of a shit sandwich, the second half we didn't even get the bread. It was just insipid shit. Made much worse by the bizarre substitution of Winks. Lets be clear, Winks wasn't great, but nobody was, but he was shitting the bed less than most others, receiving the ball more than others. I'm Ok with putting Moura's quick legs for the counter into that game, I just don't understand the logic of taking Winks out of it - if it was tactical (if it wasn't, and it's because he's trying to get him through games then fair do's). but If tactical, the decision to take him out and keep Sissoko on, and worse, move him back to Wink's midfield position was fucking whack.

In his 55 minutes, Winks completed 44/48 passes. Received the ball 46 times. Fwd 17/Back 19/Sq 8.

In 95 minutes Sissoko completed 26/32. Received 25. Fwd 7 (yes fucking 7)/Back 16/ Sq 3. In the 40 minutes he played in Winks's place, he made 10 fucking passes. We went from having 48% of the ball to having 36% from the time Winks went off. (For completeness, Ndombele 39/45. Rcvd 40. Fwd 18/Back 13/Sq 8)

Was there a defensive payoff to this tactical switch maybe? No, Sissoko made zero tackles, zero interceptions in the whole game, repeatedly failed to track runners - there were numerous examples of this throughout he game (as previously mentioned, highlighted by Neville) but a typical one was when KWP ended ups getting striped by Stirling.

I'm not saying Sissoko was the only candidate for being hooked, Poch could have yanked any of the front four off, Lamela continually killed just about every break we had, Eriksen was as inept as Sissoko. Hell even Ndombele was no more effective than Winks in the grand scheme of things.

I just did not understand this sub at all. From that point on we degenerated into Burnley with less football and but for the beautifulness of VAR would have got exactly what we/Poch deserved.

This was a skanking.


Individual

Lloris - Distribution was fucking awful. Couple of decent saves.

KWP - Tough learning curve today. Got very little protection at times, but also looked like a kid playing his first ever consecutive PL game at times.

Alderweireld - Pretty poor for the second goal, letting Aguero get across him.

Sanchez - One of the few to come out with any credit, worked off his feet.

Rose - Like KWP got badly exposed at times.

Ndombele - Looked like a turtle in a windsock at times - but the CM2 without a proper 6 in there was always going to be a tough ask.

Winks - Same as Ndombele, but was at least seeing more ball and receiving nearly twice as much as other midfielders, just did not get the logic of taking him of all people out of that game.

Sissoko - Fucking terrible, again.

Lamela - Took his goal well, and slung in a mean corner for the 2nd, but fucked away just about every other opportunity we had to counter with poor choices and execution and managed to complete 15 passes in 84 minutes. It's not enough.

Eriksen - Really poor.

Kane - No service but not great either.

Moura - Great header, touched the ball 10 more times after that in 40 minutes, 5 of them successfully. Yay.

Agree with a lot of this.

But other teams have not survived well at City in the last year either.

Fascinating fact for you, City have conceded 8 goals at home in their last 16 matches - Spurs have scored 5 of those 8 goals.

So whilst it certainly wasn't a performance which looked good, it wasn't as bad a performance as it come across in your write up. More balance required I think.

Strange tactics from Poch to be sure, but other managers have tried their own tactics without getting anywhere at City. Personally would have liked Moura on earlier just to stretch City and give them something more to think of - and we certainly missed Son but then he want available.

A Dier from 2 years ago might have been more effective than Sissoko was, and been able to cover RB more but is Dier fit enough atm to do that role as he's only just been declared fit. Otherwise not too many other options to stiffen up the CM| area which might have given us more control. But don't think you would have liked that set up any more than you did with Sissoko playing !
 
It's got to be Lamela, scored, assisted in the second and dogged defending all over the pitch.
Sanchez, Toby, KWP and Lloris on joint second place

The laziest footballer award goes to Eriksen.
 
It’s weird. I agree completely with what you are saying about Poch’s tactics but at the same time those head scratching tactics seemed to bring me what I asked for.

Before the game I asked for us not to concede with in the first 10-15 minutes, and also not to concede any errors leading to a goal.

Somehow in spite of IMO one of Poch’s worst tactical performances to date , that gave us little to no fluidity or fight, we still ended up coming away from this game with a sense of pride.

I feel much more safe going in to big games now. This was probably the hardest fixture on paper that we will play this season, and there was no capitulation in site.

Long may it continue, and as you have mentioned else where I think with son/dele/Lo celso/Sessegnon to come in to this team we have reason to be excited.

If early season amounts to us getting the engine room sorted settle the defense down (esp @ RB) - i.e. the two issues we closed last season with - then it bodes well for us to sprinkle the magic dust on the team as the creative/attacking players find full form and fitness in the coming weeks/months.



 
Agree with a lot of this.

But other teams have not survived well at City in the last year either.

Fascinating fact for you, City have conceded 8 goals at home in their last 16 matches - Spurs have scored 5 of those 8 goals.

So whilst it certainly wasn't a performance which looked good, it wasn't as bad a performance as it come across in your write up. More balance required I think.

Strange tactics from Poch to be sure, but other managers have tried their own tactics without getting anywhere at City. Personally would have liked Moura on earlier just to stretch City and give them something more to think of - and we certainly missed Son but then he want available.

A Dier from 2 years ago might have been more effective than Sissoko was, and been able to cover RB more but is Dier fit enough atm to do that role as he's only just been declared fit. Otherwise not too many other options to stiffen up the CM| area which might have given us more control. But don't think you would have liked that set up any more than you did with Sissoko playing !


I just don't buy this. This is separating the result from the performance IMO. Result was good, performance was in most ways utter garbage. We conceded ball, territory, chances, good chances and created absolutely fuck all, I doubt if anyone will get much below the x/g of 0.11 we managed throughout the season. I looked back through last season and only Everton equalled that against City all last season. Nobody created less. A shot from outside the box and one set-piece header.

There was a 20 minute spell before half time where we seemed to be managing the game slightly better, but the taking off of Winks just reduced us to bus parking nothingness.
 
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