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......Nothing that the likes of Leeds & Sunderland didn't do.

Ashley wasn't so bad......... Look at Reading, Derby, Bolton, Charlton, Sheff Wed.... Ask their fans what bad ownership looks & feels like.



Nah, fuck 'em.

Entitled, overinflated opinions of themselves..... Dippers without the trophy cabinet.
Sure. But it's a shame most of them seemingly just accepted their newfound daddy state just because they are loaded.

It's a bit like the kid in school who comes from a poor family and not much talent, he's quite annoying and a bit of a cunt but you kind of understand they don't have so much and some of it isn't their fault.
Then they win the lottery and they just turn absolutely insufferable and you learn it was never about money.

You know what, this analogy just isn't right, but I'll leave it up anyways. :ange-facepalm2:
 
What spending? What the fuck are you babbling on about? We're virtually always the butt of the joke because we're so tight with spending and have been for years - so I ask again: what in the name of fuck are you dribbling on about?
Before the FFP rules came in you weren't as frugal as your reputation. Between 06/07 and 08/09 you spent around €300m on players. And that's not even accounting for Football Inflation.
 
F*ck Newcastle - have always despised them even before their cash injection.

For some reason they have always had this narrative around them of how great their fans are and deserving of success.

So what? It doesnt entitle them to anything. Their are many clubs in this country with large, loyal fanbases and rich histories before the Premier league.

No one seems to have much sympathy with us and how we "deserve" success. In fact we get called bottlers and ridiculed because we havent won anything since 2008.

Newcastle havent won anything since 1955 yet somehow they dont get any stick for it.
 
Before the FFP rules came in you weren't as frugal as your reputation. Between 06/07 and 08/09 you spent around €300m on players. And that's not even accounting for Football Inflation.
You're overlooking the fact that we recouped in the region of £150m on sales. Throw in TV money and the rest, and that net figure will likely come down further. However, it's all irrelevant because as you mention, this is all before the FFP rules came into place. No fan of Levy here but unless anything untoward does come up in our recent financial / PSR dealings, he's adapted to the rules as necessary.
 
Before the FFP rules came in you weren't as frugal as your reputation. Between 06/07 and 08/09 you spent around €300m on players. And that's not even accounting for Football Inflation.

Bullshit.

06/07:
Arrivals: 61m
Sales: 38m
=23m

07/08:
Arrivals: 94m
Sales: 22m
=72m

08/09:
Arrivals: 143m
Sales: 88m
= 55m

TOTAL = 150m (n)

AVG per season = €50m (before balancing vs income from club revenue).

Over the last 24 years we've spent less than 200m of our owners cash (our club accounts prove as much)...... That's not some big spending financial doping.

Fuck off with your nonsense.
 
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Before the FFP rules came in you weren't as frugal as your reputation. Between 06/07 and 08/09 you spent around €300m on players. And that's not even accounting for Football Inflation.
A bit sneaky of you to miss out our revenues from selling players in that period which comes to around 150m - basically halves the number you've just spouted.

But then that's the level of honesty you're coming to be known for on here.
 
People are not pissed at Man City for winning everything. They're pissed that they've been allowed to do so by ignoring the rules.

They had a cheat code and were allowed it.

Now people have seen the results of that, steps have been taken to level the playing field and that stops you doing what they did, so you're crying...on the forum of a team who have slowly built their club the right way.

What sympathy to do you think you are going to get?!

Yes you can't do what City and Chelsea did. That's a good thing.

The fact is you are still going to use a small cheat code...you'll get 'sponsorships' of 'fair value' which we all know is bullshit. You'll find loans or sales for your unwanted from eager clubs in Saudi who'll value them far higher than most weirdly.

Don't cry on here about the rules when we all know you're a club in prime position to bend them far more than everyone else.

Oh...and your owners are scum.
Money has always been the driver for which club is successful. Liverpool in the 70s, Man Utd in the 80s and 90s, Blackburn tried to do it in the 90s, Newcastle tried it too, even Woolwich in the 20s and 30s, Sunderland way back in the 40s and 50s, all had their on field fortunes changed by huge investment from their owners.

The difference now is that the wealth gap is larger, and the established teams hold more power to prevent another Man City/Chelsea situation.

For what it's worth, I don't want to do what Man City and Chelsea did. I want the club to be allowed to spend what it can afford, within reason. I don't think we should be allowed to drop £1bn on transfers in January and another in the summer. I use Brighton as an example of a club who is handicapped by the current rules. They can't build a team around a few players because those stars will need to be sold and likely sold to the big PL clubs. So they strengthen the very teams they're trying to catch. The PSR rules need to be more in line with UEFA's FFP and it needs to be updated to take into account the rising transfer fees and wages.

ASM was the only player we sold to the Saudi league and it was in line with an objective website's market value. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/allan-saint-maximin/transfers/spieler/272642
If that was a route we could have used to raise significant funds, why didn't we ship off Ritchie, Fraser, Hendrick for more than they're worth? Why haven't we picked up Neves on loan or Benzema?

Newcastle are under more scrutiny than any other club when it comes to money coming into the club. There were rule changes to further scrutinise related parties sponsoring us for inflated fees, rule changes to prevent us getting players from related clubs for decreased fees. Which I get and it makes sense, it's a handbrake but it's fair in my opinion.

Oh... and our owners are scum.
 
A bit sneaky of you to miss out our revenues from selling players in that period which comes to around 150m - basically halves the number you've just spouted.

But then that's the level of honesty you're coming to be known for on here.
Hang on, I was using the same rules as someone on here who talked about outlay on Gordon and Isak, etc. They didn't mention any player sales like Shelvey, Wood, ASM etc.
 
F*ck Newcastle - have always despised them even before their cash injection.

For some reason they have always had this narrative around them of how great their fans are and deserving of success.

So what? It doesnt entitle them to anything. Their are many clubs in this country with large, loyal fanbases and rich histories before the Premier league.

No one seems to have much sympathy with us and how we "deserve" success. In fact we get called bottlers and ridiculed because we havent won anything since 2008.

Newcastle havent won anything since 1955 yet somehow they dont get any stick for it.
We fucking do like. Every match against a successful team we hear "Fuck all, you've never won fuck all". Every cup game "They haven't won a trophy in over 60years!" Every season we're reminded of how barren our trophy cabinet is, with pictures of Scott Parker glumly holding a laminated certificate for "winning" the Intertwobob.

I'm not after sympathy. I'm just curious as how other clubs view PSR. It appears you're all for it.
 
Money has always been the driver for which club is successful. Liverpool in the 70s, Man Utd in the 80s and 90s, Blackburn tried to do it in the 90s, Newcastle tried it too, even Woolwich in the 20s and 30s, Sunderland way back in the 40s and 50s, all had their on field fortunes changed by huge investment from their owners.

The difference now is that the wealth gap is larger, and the established teams hold more power to prevent another Man City/Chelsea situation.

For what it's worth, I don't want to do what Man City and Chelsea did. I want the club to be allowed to spend what it can afford, within reason. I don't think we should be allowed to drop £1bn on transfers in January and another in the summer. I use Brighton as an example of a club who is handicapped by the current rules. They can't build a team around a few players because those stars will need to be sold and likely sold to the big PL clubs. So they strengthen the very teams they're trying to catch. The PSR rules need to be more in line with UEFA's FFP and it needs to be updated to take into account the rising transfer fees and wages.

ASM was the only player we sold to the Saudi league and it was in line with an objective website's market value. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/allan-saint-maximin/transfers/spieler/272642
If that was a route we could have used to raise significant funds, why didn't we ship off Ritchie, Fraser, Hendrick for more than they're worth? Why haven't we picked up Neves on loan or Benzema?

Newcastle are under more scrutiny than any other club when it comes to money coming into the club. There were rule changes to further scrutinise related parties sponsoring us for inflated fees, rule changes to prevent us getting players from related clubs for decreased fees. Which I get and it makes sense, it's a handbrake but it's fair in my opinion.

Oh... and our owners are scum.
Fair play on you, you're relentless, but you're not getting it...

No-one cares.

No-one cares that you can't do what Man City did.
No-one cares that you can't spend more money than the rules allow.

No-one cares because it's the right thing.

Clubs should only be allowed to spend what they can afford. It safeguards clubs for future generations.

Yes it'll be fun for me for Spurs to outspend everyone and win everything. But what happens then? What club will my boy support when the bubble bursts and we're held to account?

You got taken over by the richest owners in the world at a time when people have woken up to the fact that short term overspending isn't quite what it's cracked up to be. Them's the brakes.

You'll still cheat where you can. Still bend the rules and use loopholes only available to you. And you'll celebrate it while turning a blind eye to the monsters who own you.

So, in summary, boo fucking hoo!
 
We fucking do like. Every match against a successful team we hear "Fuck all, you've never won fuck all". Every cup game "They haven't won a trophy in over 60years!" Every season we're reminded of how barren our trophy cabinet is, with pictures of Scott Parker glumly holding a laminated certificate for "winning" the Intertwobob.

I'm not after sympathy. I'm just curious as how other clubs view PSR. It appears you're all for it.

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Fair play on you, you're relentless, but you're not getting it...

No-one cares.

No-one cares that you can't do what Man City did.
No-one cares that you can't spend more money than the rules allow.

No-one cares because it's the right thing.
I'd argue that you're also guilty of not getting it. I don't want to do what Man City and Chelsea did. I don't want to be free to spend an unlimited amount. I just think the rules are out of date and the original purpose has been twisted into a way to maintain the status quo.

Clubs should only be allowed to spend what they can afford. It safeguards clubs for future generations.

Absolutely agree that a club should only spend what it can afford. Clubs shouldn't have £1bn worth of debt and still drop £146m on new players (net). Clubs shouldn't commit to prison contracts for players when future revenues aren't guaranteed.

Yes it'll be fun for me for Spurs to outspend everyone and win everything. But what happens then? What club will my boy support when the bubble bursts and we're held to account?

You got taken over by the richest owners in the world at a time when people have woken up to the fact that short term overspending isn't quite what it's cracked up to be. Them's the brakes.

You'll still cheat where you can. Still bend the rules and use loopholes only available to you. And you'll do it while turning a blind eye to the monsters who own you.


So, in summary, boo fucking hoo!
How have we cheated so far? The biggest issues you lot seem to have is the Sela and Noon deals, the loan deal for Neves, and the ASM transfer.
Sela was scrutinised by those in charge of making and enforcing the rules and adjudged to be a fair market value.
The Neves deal existed only in the rumour mill.
ASM was scrutinised by those in charge of making and enforcing the rules and adjudged to be a fair market value. And as I've linked to in the past, the fee was around the market value decided upon by an objective website.

So in summary, what cheating are you talking about?
 
Hang on, I was using the same rules as someone on here who talked about outlay on Gordon and Isak, etc. They didn't mention any player sales like Shelvey, Wood, ASM etc.
You're still comparing apples to oranges. You're spending someone elses money, where as in 2008 or whatever the fuck you were dribbling on about we were still spending our own money. The accounts are there, publicly published on the internet for anyone to scruitinse. In 2008 Tottenham Hotspur plc made a post-tax profit of £1m. We spent like we did because we could afford to and within our own means. By this time ENIC had been building the club up for a while, slowly, with sponsorship deals and matchday income getting us to the point of massively outgrowing White Hart Lane in terms of attendances.

You've just spunked 410m (and that's NET) out of nowhere in the last three seasons because you're owned by a country. Your sponsorship deals are all artificial. We are not the same. That isn't gradual growth like us, that's a cheat code plain and simple.
 
I'd argue that you're also guilty of not getting it. I don't want to do what Man City and Chelsea did. I don't want to be free to spend an unlimited amount. I just think the rules are out of date and the original purpose has been twisted into a way to maintain the status quo.



Absolutely agree that a club should only spend what it can afford. Clubs shouldn't have £1bn worth of debt and still drop £146m on new players (net). Clubs shouldn't commit to prison contracts for players when future revenues aren't guaranteed.




How have we cheated so far? The biggest issues you lot seem to have is the Sela and Noon deals, the loan deal for Neves, and the ASM transfer.
Sela was scrutinised by those in charge of making and enforcing the rules and adjudged to be a fair market value.
The Neves deal existed only in the rumour mill.
ASM was scrutinised by those in charge of making and enforcing the rules and adjudged to be a fair market value. And as I've linked to in the past, the fee was around the market value decided upon by an objective website.

So in summary, what cheating are you talking about?
So the rule makers are wrong about the imposed spending limits but you're ok highlighting their sound decision making when it comes to your sponsorship deals??
 
I'd argue that you're also guilty of not getting it. I don't want to do what Man City and Chelsea did. I don't want to be free to spend an unlimited amount. I just think the rules are out of date and the original purpose has been twisted into a way to maintain the status quo.



Absolutely agree that a club should only spend what it can afford. Clubs shouldn't have £1bn worth of debt and still drop £146m on new players (net). Clubs shouldn't commit to prison contracts for players when future revenues aren't guaranteed.




How have we cheated so far? The biggest issues you lot seem to have is the Sela and Noon deals, the loan deal for Neves, and the ASM transfer.
Sela was scrutinised by those in charge of making and enforcing the rules and adjudged to be a fair market value.
The Neves deal existed only in the rumour mill.
ASM was scrutinised by those in charge of making and enforcing the rules and adjudged to be a fair market value. And as I've linked to in the past, the fee was around the market value decided upon by an objective website.

So in summary, what cheating are you talking about?
Mr Fish

I'll put this politely.
No one cares
Go away.
 
You're still comparing apples to oranges. You're spending someone elses money, where as in 2008 or whatever the fuck you were dribbling on about we were still spending our own money. The accounts are there, publicly published on the internet for anyone to scruitinse. In 2008 Tottenham Hotspur plc made a post-tax profit of £1m. We spent like we did because we could afford to and within our own means. By this time ENIC had been building the club up for a while, slowly, with sponsorship deals and matchday income getting us to the point of massively outgrowing White Hart Lane in terms of attendances.

You've just spunked 410m (and that's NET) out of nowhere in the last three seasons because you're owned by a country. Your sponsorship deals are all artificial. We are not the same. That isn't gradual growth like us, that's a cheat code plain and simple.
It's whataboutery of the most barefaced kind. He can't hear himself. I'm Sooooooo grateful it's not us!!!
 
It passed the scrutiny of the Premier League, so it's adjudged to be fair market value. Nobody cared when Ashley 'sponsored' St James' Park for the sum total of £0. Or when he promoted his tat on the advertising boards around the pitch for £0 over 13yrs.
There's a whole world of difference with Ashley branding the stadium and hoardings with his shit and not pumping money into the club and owning the sponsor company and saying it's worth hundreds of millions or whatever to cover up for FFP.

Ashley wasn't trying to cheat investment figures and FFP. Companies like Sela and Etihad which are owned or associated by the parent company are morally questionable.
 
I'd argue that you're also guilty of not getting it. I don't want to do what Man City and Chelsea did. I don't want to be free to spend an unlimited amount. I just think the rules are out of date and the original purpose has been twisted into a way to maintain the status quo.
But that's what you're doing, how else can you account for a massive increase in spending out of nowhere? Relegation scrap to Champions League in a blink of an eye? 400m net spend? self-sponsorhip deals?

Come on. You are Man City and Chelsea. You don't like it, but it's what you are. Deal with it.
 
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