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1882 Concerning 1882: A View from a Season Ticket Holder

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The article makes some fair points but some of it I can't agree with.

I think the majority respect other fans rights to not sing, there is more than one way to enjoy a game of football. The problem comes, as AVB says, when there is more negativity in the ground than positivity.
Feel free to not join in with the singing but please keep the negative crap at home, for the pub or for social media/forums such as this.

Another point I thought was a little unfair was that 1882 havn't tried to involve the rest of the support. Personally I thought the Hull City game (Barnet aside) was one of the best 1882 games yet because the rest of the ground fed off the idiots making a racket up in block J.

Yes there's more to be done, 1882 is less than two years old and there's only been a minority of games allocated against the total number of Spurs first team/youth team games so you can't expect perfection.
1882 has some negative points and I don't see any issue with constructive criticism. However anyone who can't see what 1882 are trying to achieve though is beyond me.

It's not a closed shop. The club havn't placed restrictions on those who can/can't buy a ticket in an allocated 1882 block.
 
my post was the first post... upon reading it back I feel I, perhaps, was slightly too unclear. I do not have a problem with people not wanting to sing; only that people who are overtly negative. considering when I said 'is that the only issue', I meant is location the only issue. I myself am a season ticket holder and when I heard certain songs about support have found myself very aggrieved indeed.
 
But how could you do that Mensa without physically or verbally attacking them ?
The moaning is nothing new, there have always been, and will always be people that moan at matches.
However they were often drowned out by the singing, so it seemed less prevalent.
At times if it wasn't for the moaning you could hear a pin drop at the Lane.

Really you need to answer the question what will make people sing.
To me there is only a certain amount you can do. You can keep doing what you are doing, become more integrated and hope it spreads around the ground a lot more, but I'll be honest a lot of the problem is emanating from the pitch at the moment, which bar hopefully raising some players by singing, and us being more cavalier, you can't effect.
If you are not enjoying the football, you are much less likely to be in the mood to sing.
 
Totally agree Rocky, with the exception of the Graham years, when it was poisonous (a bit like the first few home games last season, but constant).
But we always had entertaining players, and tried to play that way. Ginola, Gascoigne, Lineker, Klinsmann et al,
We had an infinity with those type of players, and the team.
We weren't always good, in fact often we were crap but we usually played the "Tottenham way"., with speed.
The crowd could get behind them, and did.
At the moment it just feels as if all the Tottenham flair has been ripped out our of side, and we would rather play safe than attempt to entertain the crowd, unless we are chasing the game.
 
I'm 52 years old and have been going to the lane for over 40 years, and i just love what 1882 stands for. How can joyously singing for the shirt upset anyone? It's the one thing in the article i don't agree with. Kids getting upset? don't make me laugh, check this video out, thousands of kids celebrating Spurs goals in the old 2nd division.


The trouble with the modern game with regards to atmosphere is the kids have been priced out. What used to happen was the youngsters were the singing section, slowly they graduated to the seats and a new generation of singers came along. That has mostly stopped today due to the cost of modern football, average age of the Spurs fans in that video was 19, today the average age is in the 40's, resulting in a major lack of atmosphere at games.

I have been to a number of games marked as 1882 matches and have enjoyed every one because of the good natured singing and banter. Some of those games i would never have attended if it wasn't for 1882! Barnet for the woolwich v spurs match was one such game, but for me it was the best because of standing on the terraces again.

If the club make sure everyone booking a ticket is aware that people know certain blocks are reserved for 1882 then we should have no further problems.
 
Difference then though Bobby (as well as price) is it was standing, and all the kids went down to the front so they could see. Back of the shelf in the 70's/80's was amazing for my generation of singers (84 Uefa Final, wow). Post-Hillsborough they are confined to their seat basically, and if people persist in standing in front of them, they can't see, they will be upset. The only solution is as you suggest.
 
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Trotter said:
Difference then though Bobby (as well as price) is it was standing, and all the kids went down to the front so they could see. Back of the shelf in the 70's/80's was amazing for my generation of singers (84 Uefa Final, wow). Post-Hillsborough they are confined to their seat basically, and if people persist in standing in front of them, they can't see. The only solution is as you suggest.
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Valid point mate. I was on the shelf too for Uefa 84 and it was amazing. In fact many a happy saturday afternoon was spent here in the pen.
 
bobby smith said:
I'm 52 years old and have been going to the lane for over 40 years, and i just love what 1882 stands for. How can joyously singing for the shirt upset anyone? It's the one thing in the article i don't agree with. Kids getting upset? don't make me laugh, check this video out, thousands of kids celebrating Spurs goals in the old 2nd division.


The trouble with the modern game with regards to atmosphere is the kids have been priced out. What used to happen was the youngsters were the singing section, slowly they graduated to the seats and a new generation of singers came along. That has mostly stopped today due to the cost of modern football, average age of the Spurs fans in that video was 19, today the average age is in the 40's, resulting in a major lack of atmosphere at games.

I have been to a number of games marked as 1882 matches and have enjoyed every one because of the good natured singing and banter. Some of those games i would never have attended if it wasn't for 1882! Barnet for the woolwich v spurs match was one such game, but for me it was the best because of standing on the terraces again.

If the club make sure everyone booking a ticket is aware that people know certain blocks are reserved for 1882 then we should have no further problems.
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Excuse me if similar suggestions have been made elsewhere, but can it be suggested to Daniel Levy that the rename an existing block/s as 1882 such that it indicates an intent for what is expected also if i was DL i would lock in a price that attracts those willing to participate in singing/chanting.
The effects would by nature move moaners to supporters. As for the drop in revenue to support a discount to block 1882, really the club i suggest would overcome this in other revenue opportunities.
Now if renaming to 1882 is to contentious surely other historical dates/numbers could give same special intention eg N17, 748, 6061, 1901.
 
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This whole argument is depressing. Some fans want to actually create a bit of atmosphere but that isn't welcome by the self proclaimed "real fans". with the ticket prices and all this bollocks is it any wonder people are turning their backs on going to Spurs. It's often a miserable day out, going to the Lane now.
 
Was talking about this with a friend at a recent game. Although we are a better club now and one of the big players, we were in agreement that going to football was more enjoyable, as a day out , when Christian Gross was at the helm.
Just about every game was 3pm Saturday kick-off and winning was a bonus not a demand.
The football was shit but it was all about the whole day rather than the result. Times have changed and money has taken over, the pressure of CL football has made it all about winning rather than having a great day.
Would I go back to the Gross years? No way, but I wish the mentality and the atmosphere would.
 
BushHillSpurs said:
@ Trotter - Would like to offer my apologies for calling you names and being a general arse. Hope to see you sticking around and posting more often. As I said in the inbox discussion; I think it all boils down to the club being more open with their dialogue to fans and what sections of the ground offers what type of atmosphere.

All the best :adebaehug:
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Gay.
 
I have no problem with people not singing if they don't want to, that's fine.

But its a bit rich to not offer the team any support 'because you don't want to' and then proceed to boo the fuck out of the players at half time because we aren't 3-0 up
 
The "we shouldn't sing that song" argument irks me a bit. Granted, some songs are shit. I'm sure plenty enjoy waving shoes in the air, it's just a bit of a laugh, but I can understand why some don't like it.

It's impossible to dictate what songs a group of that size are going to sing though. How can anyone control that? Should we even attempt to control it? Does anyone have the right to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't sing? Over 90 minutes, in amongst the classic Spurs songs, you're going to get some that sporadically start - as it should be. If a song briefly catches on and a few others get involved then so be it. I'm sure they'll be another "oh when the Spurs..." along shortly.

There seems to be a lot of "we should only sing these songs: _____" comments going around. The only way you can ever have any influence over that is by getting involved and starting the songs YOU want to hear. If a song starts that you don't like... don't sing it. Get in the 1882 block and help create the atmosphere that you want.
 
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100% Agree. For the Hull game in the Capital One Cup up in block J, I remember there was a lady with her 2 kids. A boy and a girl. I dont know whether or not they were aware that we were to be up there at the same time or they booked specifically for us (I suspect its the former) but they were having the times of their lives.

Towards the end of the game the young boy, who must of been about 9 or 10 started a chant which the whole block carried on with. He smiled like a chesire cat for the rest of the game after that and his mum was really pleased as well. I think it is these type of experiences that really make a matchday experience. Not analysing and judging tactics.

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Well said BHS, if 1882 has turned that lad into a proper supporter it's done its job. People who go to the Lane to discuss and analyse tactics drive me insane. Why not stay home and do that? Think of all the extra camera angles you can get, and the discussions you can have with the commentators and analysts.

What's even worse of course, is most of the analysis is embarrassingly bad, and that's just from the wannabes in the crowd, not the 'professionals.' :)
 
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The "you used to sing down there" could be taken the wrong way, but the "shelfside/parklane/paxton give us a song" followed by a sssshhhhh has been going on since they did away with the shelf, probably before then even.
 
You used to sing down there was only sang once, against Maribor, a year ago. :avbfacepalm:

People really ain't letting that go. :lennonlol:
 
Rocky said:
Trotter, I was one of those who went to games in the 90's / 00's when we were less good. The atmosphere was rocking.
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Well said. All this dark days stuff is so ridiculously overdone. You'd have we were in Division three the way some people go on.

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Well said. All this 'dark days' stuff is so ridiculously overdone. You'd have thought we were in Division Three the way some people go on. We spent the whole of the 'nineties and noughties' in the top tier of English football, we were part of the upper echelons of the game, in fact we were overall comfortably in the top 10% of English football.

That means we were better than 90% of other teams, that is not 'shit', in fact, it's way better than mediocre, though I understand most people use this to compare us with other top clubs not English football as a whole. But that's where the whole problem of 'comparative adjectives' starts for me. We don't have a God-given right to be in the top flight. Look at City, Leeds, Wolves, Villa, all 'big clubs', all have 'done time' in the lower divisions. Now you could say with justification those clubs were 'shit/mediocre' at their lowest ebbs, though their fans might not agree.

Over the two decades I assume the author is talking about, even though he gets his facts completely wrong, so it's hard to identify, we were overall about the 6th most successful club in the country. Way behind the 'big 4', I totally agree. After that who was better than us overall in the 'nineties' and 'noughties'. Personally I can't think of one club, but I'll allow for one, because there probably was and I've missed them.

Looking at this decade, guess what we're about the 5th/6th best club. Massive difference, not.
Yes, we're closer to the 'new big 4' now, and the players we have and have had this decade are overall better than those in the previous two decades. But guess what, many clubs can say the same, because more money has piled into the game, allowing the purchase of more 'foreign stars'. A mixed blessing according to many BTW, as we're losing a lot of 'British talent'.

I know someone who preferred us in the 2000s when probably we had a bigger British core. Robbo, Daws, King, Gardner, Woodgate, Jenas, Lennon, Crouch, Keane (for football purposes he is British in culture but I understand entirely that politically the Irish Republic isn't British) etc
 
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1882 have come up with dozens of great and not so great songs and as you say other fans only seem remember that one. I was in the PLU that day and I personally regarded it as banter or gentle piss taking at worst. Some people need to grow thicker skins.
 
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