You don’t know how it works do you?Not like wot u just sed.
It’s ok you can admit it.
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It’s ok you can admit it.
The discussion begins (as it did above) if one doesn't deem him amongst the players they want to keep.
Everyone is a selling club...you're just bitching about matters of degrees. You can't control player movement anymore...it's been like 20 years and y'all still having a problem understanding the full ramifications...
Again, matter of degrees. In your mind, how big is the space between our 'player trading' days and keeping everyone, every year leading to a bloated, unbalanced squad like the end days of Poch?
No you necessarily do not. How is this hard to see? Just because a players is "your best player' doesn't mean he is objectively good OR that the dynamic with other players will be there. This is not FIFA. And in fact, many times it is best to move on your identified best player because chasing short term goals is stupid when you are starting so far away...like HK
So your point is that we want to sell Romero AND Kane because we aren’t going to win in the short term?
Or because they don’t have a good dynamic with the rest of the team.
Welp, I've not made the argument that we should sell Romero so don't really konw why this is coming up. I didn't make that argument. I was just replying to RA's point about "selling club" and I was not able to read the post he was replying to.
But, that said, I could easily make an argument for selling Romero...easily!!!! But then again I don't really rate him as highly as most.
Maybe i misunderstood your point then. I do agree with selling Kane though. He isnt our future and will be on his way down very soon. It would be great to cash in for as much as possible. But a 24 year old CB who is our best defender , thats the kind of player we should be trying to build the defense with.
No, my point is that every club is a selling club and mindlessly keeping players because "they are our best X,Y,Z" is foolish. Players are merely a set of attributes. Find the respective sets whose sum is greater than their parts.
It seems football folks are so used to having nothing that they'd rather keep anything than investigate reasonable alternatives that might lead to gaining something in the future. The lesson was taught in the Poch years with the "how do we improve on what we have" when what we had was players that could have easily been improved upon...Dele fucking Alli being one of them. But we kept them all!!!!
But yeah, I'd investigate shopping Romero and Kane just like I'd do it for all the players...at all times...as long as it was in the best sporting interest of the club.
You see it like American sports and trading assets?
Facetious original tone considered; I just can't be arsed to get deeper with you about it cos you're not gonna get the tidy, bite-sized answer you want.....
What I will say is that the idea of being a proverbial "selling club" or not is pretty facile.
The closest I can be bothered to define it is a club who's not able to keep hold of their best players even though they want them to stay; BUT then again were Barca & United "selling clubs" for losing Ronaldo & Neymar respectively? No..... And saying so would have been dumb.
Good examples of "selling clubs":
Southampton in the Poch/Koeman era.
Current Brighton.
Dortmund are a selling club and they actually make it work for them.
As per OG context: If we actively sought to sell Romero; that wouldn't make us a selling club.
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I see it like it should be seen, the way that is most advantageous for the club...and yes, things could be learned from looking at other professional sports that may know a thing or two more about this stuff because they've been dealing with free agency and team building for a shitton longer.
You misunderstand American sports. But "trading assets" is what DL is best at and what he did pre-Poch. He also seems to think players are fungible, need a MFer then here's a nominal MFer...irrespective of qualities and skillset. Only rarely do American sports teams trade 'contracts' for salary cap reasons. What they do trade is skillsets/qualities to find the best players and best team dynamics...and I could see Romero moving because he oft-injured, rash, aerially shit, goes on walkabout. and will soon be 25 when these things should be a little more ironed out. Not sold on him.
But understand, it will take another fucking 20 years* but perhaps then player movement will be understood over there. And when it finally is, it will look a lot like more professionally mature leagues.
*that 20 years is optimistic. In 20 years you lot will still be bitching that someone had the temerity to suggest that something could be learned from somewhere other than England let alone from the fucking Americans. You guys are like that black knight from Monty Python...
Came I'm because thought there was some intresting chat about Romero...left soon after.
Nothing too interesting. People are discussing if we should sell him..because we have so many good centerbacks..
We shouldn't sell Romero because he's one of our few talented players - unless some mega bid comes in which is way above his market value, whatever the club deems that as. We also shouldn't give him a pass for dumb red cards which have now cost the team because 'passion' and 'clever' when really it was just totally unnecessary at a time we were comfortable, and then left us with no quality centre backs for the next match.
He gets a stupid yellow card Every.Fucking. Game which then leaves him on a tightrope. The FA confirmed they made a mistake not sending him off vs Chelsea and really he should've been sent off vs Woolwich too. This isn't 'clever', it's just dumb. We need 11 men on the pitch.
He gets a stupid yellow card Every.Fucking. Game which then leaves him on a tightrope. The FA confirmed they made a mistake not sending him off vs Chelsea and really he should've been sent off vs Woolwich too. This isn't 'clever', it's just dumb. We need 11 men on the pitch.
I'm the one who allegedly advised to sell Romero- but even I stated in my post that we ought to sell him for as high a price as possible in the event that a bigger club comes in and he asks for a transfer. This is not the same as stating we ought to sell a player.
Reading is tough, I know, but it really helps against making inadvertent strawman arguments, wouldn't you agree?
Especially nowadays
In the 60/70s it probably wouldn’t have even been a foul let alone a booking (no cards then)
Not defending the thuggery that went on then but some of the yellows players are getting now are ridiculous!
And I think Haaland was always looking over his shoulder after that one
Grealish was still a pussy though
