Player Cristian Romero

[MemphisWill]

Why are people so keen to sell Romero?

Look at the top teams in the league, they have 3-4 good choices at CB.

If we keep Vusokovic out on loan again (which I think we should, ideally to a prem team), then Romero, Van De Ven, Senesi and Danso would be good.

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In the 4 seasons since his transfer was made permanent and he became the club's highest ever paid defender, we've conceded 63, 61, 65, and 59 (extrapolated) league goals.

Its not all his fault, obviously. But its hard to make the case that a centreback on his wage, and named captain no less, is pulling his weight with that kind of record across several different managers.

 

[Jaynola]

Fuck him off.

 

[holloway spurs]

He a fucking liability

 

[Kiro Kompiro]

I don't think he gives a rats if we stay up or not. Either way he's got one foot out the door. Watch him make a miraculous recovery for the World Cup playing like prime Baresi.

 

[AberdeenYid]

People said we couldn’t sack Ange because Romero and everyone else loved him and would leave, aka the “he has the dressing room” crowd but they’re still here. No one left because Ange was rightfully sacked. I would bet that the players will want to be part of what they have seen from RDZ if we stay up

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Been thinking about this. And I know you won’t agree, but I’m sending it out there anyway. You are correct in saying nobody left because of Ange going. But have you heard of “quiet quitting”, where an employee (because that’s what the players are) just down tools but remains in the job? Seems to me this could be an explanation for the sheer lethargic nature of our play until RDZ turned up.

The players obviously enjoyed Ange’s style and seemed to want to play for him. Yes, 17th, etc, but there was effort there. And a trophy. Then he was replaced by the floppy haired wanker and it went to proper shit. Take our centre halves. Could you seen VdV making that clearance under Frank? Romero pulling his final performance out for Frank? I can’t.

Whilst no player actually left, I think a fair number of them quietly quit. Maybe RDZ can get a lot more out of them and maybe they’ll want to stay to be part of it. But they’d have to do something very fucking special to gain forgiveness from me for how they have acted this season.

 

[manmountainbutters]

He actually has value which is part of it. But also while he seems a good player on his day he’s been a major part of the two worst Spurs teams in recent memory. We clearly just need to recycle some personalities because whatever we have going on…isn’t working. And a lot of people grow tired of the tough guy act. Which I do too, but my biggest gripe is it’s out of laziness half the time. He’d rather take someone out and get a card and then act like it’s a hard ass mentality rather than stand up and do his damn job.

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Agreed. I want shot of him after this season. Used to be a fan, but he’s let our club down this season.

 

[manmountainbutters]

I think this is the issue: the people who talk about Romero as our one "world class" player seem to be talking about an alternate reality where Romero is always available and playing at somewhere near to his his best regularly for Spurs.

Reality is we've seen Romero at or near his best for maybe...30-40% of the games he could've theoretically played for the club. Once you take into account injuries, suspensions and bad performances he's spent the majority of his time at Spurs being a bit flaky/average/shit/unavailable. That's not "world class".

Maybe it's simply because peak Romero is so good people can't get over it, but the reality is, all the genuinely top CBs in the league are SO much more consistently available, reliable and on form than Romero has been at Spurs. And that's why outside of the Spurs bubble no neutrals or rival fans consider Romero in the top bracket of CBs.

I'd sell him this summer regardless of where we end up. Think we need to draw a line under the Romero era.

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Romero, Vicario and Bissouma are the three must exits IMO

 

[Jenderbazzfass]

Been thinking about this. And I know you won’t agree, but I’m sending it out there anyway. You are correct in saying nobody left because of Ange going. But have you heard of “quiet quitting”, where an employee (because that’s what the players are) just down tools but remains in the job? Seems to me this could be an explanation for the sheer lethargic nature of our play until RDZ turned up.

The players obviously enjoyed Ange’s style and seemed to want to play for him. Yes, 17th, etc, but there was effort there. And a trophy. Then he was replaced by the floppy haired wanker and it went to proper shit. Take our centre halves. Could you seen VdV making that clearance under Frank? Romero pulling his final performance out for Frank? I can’t.

Whilst no player actually left, I think a fair number of them quietly quit. Maybe RDZ can get a lot more out of them and maybe they’ll want to stay to be part of it. But they’d have to do something very fucking special to gain forgiveness from me for how they have acted this season.

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I do not believe the players downed tools for Frank. I think it was a toxic brew of the players not being very good and Frank not being the sort who could get through to this group. There was never belief in Frank by the players, they never understood what he wanted them to do, and when the injuries piled up the results dropped and their heads did too. I don't think they stopped working. They just knew it was couldn't work and morale was low, and the brass let it drag on far too long.

And we knew that, we knew Frank was supposed to be a tactical manager and not a motivational type. We went from no tactics to only tactics and learned that there is a ditch on both sides of the street.

With RDZ we seem to have a man who can do both. Early days but this is what we needed. (along with some better players of course)

 

[Jenderbazzfass]

Romero, Vicario and Bissouma are the three must exits IMO

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For some players it may be time for a mutual parting of ways, but with what RDZ has shown so far I think he will value Romero, he will see his passion and ability and likely think he can improve him.

Romero is not a popular figure here but I think most would agree his talent is limitless, but his temperament causes him to be his own worst enemy at times. He needs to be disciplined without losing that competitive edge he brings.

My guess is that RDZ will not want to lose a player like him and will believe he can get better from him. So long as we stay up I find it hard to believe those two will not like the prospect of working together.

 

[AberdeenYid]

I do not believe the players downed tools for Frank. I think it was a toxic brew of the players not being very good and Frank not being the sort who could get through to this group. There was never belief in Frank by the players, they never understood what he wanted them to do, and when the injuries piled up the results dropped and their heads did too. I don't think they stopped working. They just knew it was couldn't work and morale was low, and the brass let it drag on far too long.

And we knew that, we knew Frank was supposed to be a tactical manager and not a motivational type. We went from no tactics to only tactics and learned that there is a ditch on both sides of the street.

With RDZ we seem to have a man who can do both. Early days but this is what we needed. (along with some better players of course)

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Aye, we’ll never know what really happened. I just couldn’t see the same players this season as I saw last. Everything just looked so different. Body language, interactions on the pitch. No going that extra yard to reach a pass. Just nothing.

I just don’t think they were motivated and I’d apportion a percentage of that to losing a manager they liked being replaced by a wet fish. Adults having a collective huff.

I’m sure we’ll see a couple of them leave in the summer. Most will stay and will hopefully lift their game again. Got a lot to make up for.

 

[Chelmsford Spurs]

If Romero had played vs Villa I think we lose. Not because he's a bad player but because he's a fucking lunatic who doesn't understand the nuances of CONTROLLED aggression, the team understood the assignment at the weekend, he would not have. He'd have smashed into a stupid challenge and left us with 10 men.

Of course this is all my opinion and just speculation as none of that happened but I just feel we are much calmer without him in the side, plus his supposed elite line breaking passes (where it takes him an age to get the ball moving) is now being done by Kinsky to a much more effective level

 

[manmountainbutters]

For some players it may be time for a mutual parting of ways, but with what RDZ has shown so far I think he will value Romero, he will see his passion and ability and likely think he can improve him.

Romero is not a popular figure here but I think most would agree his talent is limitless, but his temperament causes him to be his own worst enemy at times. He needs to be disciplined without losing that competitive edge he brings.

My guess is that RDZ will not want to lose a player like him and will believe he can get better from him. So long as we stay up I find it hard to believe those two will not like the prospect of working together.

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Don’t doubt he could be much better under RDZ. But we need a captain who is a real leader. And we need keep players to want to be here. We can do better than this guy. I’d happily bring Vuskovic in and spend the cash on the forward line

 

[Harrier]

His horrendous attitude and poor leadership should be enough to see him out the door, before you even get into his pros/cons as a player.

He’s not the type we want having a big influence in the dressing room.

 

[SouthCoastSpur]

On his day he can be match changing but his injury record (not necessarily his fault), his disciplinary record (his fault) and the number of times over the last couple of seasons he looks disinterested in games means for me he should be sold.
This would be the perfect example of Sours hanging onto a player for too long and not getting some resale value.
I'd rather someone like Danso who is a step below but reliable, doesn't miss a quarter of the season through suspension (not quite there but if he hadn't got injured he would have picked up another yellow or two for another mandatory suspension I'm sure).

 

[TeamSpirit™]

Been thinking about this. And I know you won’t agree, but I’m sending it out there anyway. You are correct in saying nobody left because of Ange going. But have you heard of “quiet quitting”, where an employee (because that’s what the players are) just down tools but remains in the job? Seems to me this could be an explanation for the sheer lethargic nature of our play until RDZ turned up.

The players obviously enjoyed Ange’s style and seemed to want to play for him. Yes, 17th, etc, but there was effort there. And a trophy. Then he was replaced by the floppy haired wanker and it went to proper shit. Take our centre halves. Could you seen VdV making that clearance under Frank? Romero pulling his final performance out for Frank? I can’t.

Whilst no player actually left, I think a fair number of them quietly quit. Maybe RDZ can get a lot more out of them and maybe they’ll want to stay to be part of it. But they’d have to do something very fucking special to gain forgiveness from me for how they have acted this season.

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Regardless of tactical acumen etc. if the players don’t believe in the gaffer, you’re onto a loser.

As soon as Spence and VDV blanked Frank vs Chelsea, Frank should’ve been sacked.

 

[Kiro Kompiro]

Regardless of tactical acumen etc. if the players don’t believe in the gaffer, you’re onto a loser.

As soon as Spence and VDV blanked Frank vs Chelsea, Frank should’ve been sacked.

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in hindsight, but are we at the point now where we're ok with Jed Spence and VdV getting the manager sacked?

 

[Notabadsquad]

If Romero had played vs Villa I think we lose. Not because he's a bad player but because he's a fucking lunatic who doesn't understand the nuances of CONTROLLED aggression, the team understood the assignment at the weekend, he would not have. He'd have smashed into a stupid challenge and left us with 10 men.

Of course this is all my opinion and just speculation as none of that happened but I just feel we are much calmer without him in the side, plus his supposed elite line breaking passes (where it takes him an age to get the ball moving) is now being done by Kinsky to a much more effective level

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I tend to agree.

Reading some of the posts on here and this constant but Romero can be brilliant or will be wanted by De Zerbi etc, is just fanciful tripe.

I don't see this top rated centre back at all, and in performing once in a while, what differentiates him from what Rodon for example has done at Leeds, or any other number of PL centre backs.

The guy is our captain and has been bang average in every single regard.

I just hope we sell him and move on from a player who isn't anywhere close to the kind of captain or indeed centre back that we need.

 

[TeamSpirit™]

in hindsight, but are we at the point now where we're ok with Jed Spence and VdV getting the manager sacked?

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I don’t care about the image of “player power”.

That performance vs Chelsea was horrendous and their attitude towards him was understandable. I felt exactly the same way.

Frank was a loser and going from a flawed idealist with Alpha energy to a beta cucking coward who was scared of all opponents was disastrous for the mentality of the club.

We need people with irrational, and somewhat delusional confidence, to carry out the club motto.

 

[_mehstg]

Why are people so keen to sell Romero?

Look at the top teams in the league, they have 3-4 good choices at CB.

If we keep Vusokovic out on loan again (which I think we should, ideally to a prem team), then Romero, Van De Ven, Senesi and Danso would be good.

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He is a very good player but here is my take...

1. He is often injured or suspended meaning availability is a big issue, especially when he is club captain.
2. We need a shake up and the best way to do that is to split up that "player" leadership team so we can cultivate a better culture and improve relationship between players and fans.
3. We are quite deep at CB with some good youngsters like Phillips, Byfield and Vuskovic due back in the summer. Add in links to players like Senesi and we should be fine if we move on from Romero and VDV.
4. We will need to sell to buy and Romero will have plenty of suitors and we can get a good fee from him. Something we have been awful at in recent seasons.

 

[robotdevil]

Been thinking about this. And I know you won’t agree, but I’m sending it out there anyway. You are correct in saying nobody left because of Ange going. But have you heard of “quiet quitting”, where an employee (because that’s what the players are) just down tools but remains in the job? Seems to me this could be an explanation for the sheer lethargic nature of our play until RDZ turned up.

The players obviously enjoyed Ange’s style and seemed to want to play for him. Yes, 17th, etc, but there was effort there. And a trophy. Then he was replaced by the floppy haired wanker and it went to proper shit. Take our centre halves. Could you seen VdV making that clearance under Frank? Romero pulling his final performance out for Frank? I can’t.

Whilst no player actually left, I think a fair number of them quietly quit. Maybe RDZ can get a lot more out of them and maybe they’ll want to stay to be part of it. But they’d have to do something very fucking special to gain forgiveness from me for how they have acted this season.

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LOL, they must have quietly quit at the end of his first season considering their performances last year.