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Ex-Spurs Player Dele

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todd1882 said:
This is actually quite an incorrect memory of his time with us...and it seems to persist in supporter's minds no matter how many times individual posters are disabused of this - it's whack-a-mole. He was actually quite ratshit in MF and was OFTEN shifted (in-game, a notorious one being away to the scum in what ended 2-2 on Giroud's header after we dominated them in the first half and Dele was shifter about 15 min in) from the position because he had no idea what he was doing and players ran off him constantly. In fact, there is that infamous youtube video of Dier taking the piss out of his MF work by mimicking whiplash as players run by.

But, in November of 2015, Klopp's first game in the PL, Mousa began the takeover of that position. It's a shame it took that long considering Mousa's introduction in the 5-3 Chelsea game the season before should have shown Poch the way forward. But Dele was never good at the base of MF, either in the beginning of his time with us or the end when he still sucked at it. He was a liability in the MF which is why he has nothing to draw on now to keep himself in the PL.


It is all about the goals, isn't it? Always has been for most. Good to know that's where you stand as well. Will prolly be easier for him to score them in Turkey where I'm sure he'll be rated appropriately while tapping them in for the mighty European powerhouse Besiktas. Hopefully, that soothes any concerns you might have. You're welcome.
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Its not all about goals. There's clearly other areas of his game massively lacking. I wanted him out of the team earlier the most. But you don't put up those numbers without a lot of ability.


No idea why you find it impossible to post without being an insufferable, patronising wanker whose opinion of his own football knowledge is vastly inflated compared to the reality
 
Shadydan said:
He was great back then, fearless and vibrant but I felt that there was always something missing, his control would always be a bit flaky and general play kinda sloppy but he benefited massively from that role that he had playing off Kane and getting supplies from Eriksen, in fact his drop off was synonymous with our drop off as a team.

I always said that he needed to refine his game because for a no10 his control and technique wasn't good enough and for a no8 he didn't keep the ball well enough, his best moments where he was outstanding playing in that SS role where he had a free role and didn't have as much responsibility in the build up, just benefiting from the space that Kane gave him and attacking space and timing his runs which he was brilliant at.

Obviously injuries played a massive part as well in his downfall but he was always a luxury player in that he doesn't fit a role in which modern teams play with now especially in the Premier League.
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Holy shit, thanks for reminding me why I put you on ignore the first day I say that you creeped your mendacious ass over here from SC. This is a bunch of horseshit you've written right here. I had any number of disagreements over on SC with you about this player...in fact, I quoted some of your previous horseshit (unattributed...but I'll name and shame henceforth) a few weeks ago about him winding up at RM FFS. But now your take is "always something missing" and he was "a bit flaky" and he "needed to refine his game". This is revision.

Never change Shady*...


*I'm comfortable that you never will...and, you are back on ignore so I won't see your reply.
 
Taricco's Tackle said:
Its not all about goals. There's clearly other areas of his game massively lacking. I wanted him out of the team earlier the most. But you don't put up those numbers without a lot of ability.
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ok, but THIS post...

Taricco's Tackle said:
18 non pen goals in a prem season at 20 years old from am. Dont let anyone tell you he was overrated
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is saying that he is NOT overrated solely because of his goals. Surely, you can see my confusion?

Without those goals, sorta like folks are seeing with the awesome Bruno Fernandes, there is nothing to rate about the player. So, in fact, Dele was always overrated because there was no foundation to the player and everything was based on the freedom and opportunities that others served up for him. He was quite the beneficiary of other's work. When we could no longer accommodate such a luxury player he suddenly 'lost form'.

Looky here:

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He’s a really weird player tbh. Most of the time he’s pretty horrible to watch and very uneasy on the eye. If ever a player was bambi on ice it’s him. Sometimes you are literally screaming at the TV screen for him to pass it. He’s dithering is quite staggering at times. I also have no idea why he tries to dribble because he rarely if ever beats his man, just invariably falls over and gets free kick if lucky. However you can’t argue with his goals and assist record. But for his status you expect a player that can do special things. In his whole spurs career I can only really remember a handful of special moments or exceptional goals or assists. Ultimately he is overrated and if you could get £125m and spen that wisely you could probably makes us a stronger squad and team.

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That's from Jan 2018 on SC. It's not my post but it was clear he was shit to some folks not taken in by the goals. It has been postulated that "no one" saw he was shit before his Oct 2018 contract extension. But that's wrong because many people did. This kid was a fucking nightmare for some people because he spent 89 fucking everything up only to score a goal and folks like you and shady to say he's world class and we should sign him for another 20 years (hyperbole, yes).

I am so fucking happy this player is gone. A player that doesn't improve in 7 years does not deserve my support and most of the rest of ya should be ashamed that you actively rooted for that which was hurting the club you love. It's doesn't matter what goals he scored because for 89 minutes of the vast majority of games he was actively hurting us. And some still defended him until the day he went to Everton...they wanted the Dele Alli circus to continue.

This kid is an awful footballer and always was...but he scored a fair few goals. But I ask you this, if we had Kulu (a player that I don't necessarily rate that highly BUT I do consider him a fundamentally competent footballer...one-footedness aside) in Dele's place would he have scored just as many? How about any other competent attacking player given that same free role? And THAT is why I don't rate him or his goals. I believe a competent footballer would have scored even more AND wouldn't have wasted all the chances nor killed all the moves that he did. Awful football...but he scored a fair few goals once or twice in the most dangerous team in the league.
 
Taricco's Tackle said:
No idea why you find it impossible to post without being an insufferable, patronising wanker whose opinion of his own football knowledge is vastly inflated compared to the reality
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Ooo, didn't see this part. Looks to be another rating you've got wrong :sonpoint:...with the added bit of personal attack. Nice.

But it could be all of the fucking nonsense you've got to suffer when you happen to have an opinion counter to the hive mind. The piles of ignorant nonsense that have been spat at myself and others that had the temerity to speak reality about this player and any other that is playing subpar would astound you...but you're prolly part of the brigade aren't you? Using phrases like "don't let anyone tell you he was overrated" suggests you are.

This is the response to the post I quoted earlier:

You really do post some absolute bollocks.
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That's the shit you have to deal with but I imagine you don't class yourself as that type of person and will quickly forget your personal attack on me because it doesn't fit your narrative. I'm the bad guy and you're the victim.
 
todd1882 said:
Holy shit, thanks for reminding me why I put you on ignore the first day I say that you creeped your mendacious ass over here from SC. This is a bunch of horseshit you've written right here. I had any number of disagreements over on SC with you about this player...in fact, I quoted some of your previous horseshit (unattributed...but I'll name and shame henceforth) a few weeks ago about him winding up at RM FFS. But now your take is "always something missing" and he was "a bit flaky" and he "needed to refine his game". This is revision.

Never change Shady*...


*I'm comfortable that you never will...and, you are back on ignore so I won't see your reply.
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You took me off ignore to read that just to tell the whole world you put me on ignore, right...

BTW I have absolutely no idea who you are or who you were on SC, clearly our disagreements affected you so much from 7 years ago you're still hung up on it.

Your post didn't get the response you expected so I gave you a little like to make you feel better, absolute weirdo but you do you :nunothumb:
 
Brian Fantana said:
He had a tough childhood so I’ve always given him the benefit of the doubt, felt sorry for him and it’s quite amazing he became a pro footballer from that position in life. Maybe the determination just ran out?
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Spot on re: childhood.

I don’t think it’s determination running out, from what I’ve heard he liked a drink (past tense) and addicted to painkillers (not uncommon)
 
todd1882 said:
Ooo, didn't see this part. Looks to be another rating you've got wrong :sonpoint:...with the added bit of personal attack. Nice.

But it could be all of the fucking nonsense you've got to suffer when you happen to have an opinion counter to the hive mind. The piles of ignorant nonsense that have been spat at myself and others that had the temerity to speak reality about this player and any other that is playing subpar would astound you...but you're prolly part of the brigade aren't you? Using phrases like "don't let anyone tell you he was overrated" suggests you are.

This is the response to the post I quoted earlier:



That's the shit you have to deal with but I imagine you don't class yourself as that type of person and will quickly forget your personal attack on me because it doesn't fit your narrative. I'm the bad guy and you're the victim.
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I was roundly slated a few years ago for saying he was "Bang average", without having opportunities served up to him on a plate, and lacked the individual skill to make a difference when he had to stand on his own two feet once CE left the club. He did score some lovely goals, but balance that with all of the speculative flicks, poor passes etc, that didn't come off. I just couldn't understand the collective myopia, and devotion surrounding him, when as an individual player, he was clearly a weak-link in the team.

However, that ship has sailed, and I wish him all the best in Turkey.
 
DPN9 said:
I was roundly slated a few years ago for saying he was "Bang average", without having opportunities served up to him on a plate, and lacked the individual skill to make a difference when he had to stand on his own two feet once CE left the club. He did score some lovely goals, but balance that with all of the speculative flicks, poor passes etc, that didn't come off. I just couldn't understand the collective myopia, and devotion surrounding him, when as an individual player, he was clearly a weak-link in the team.

However, that ship has sailed, and I wish him all the best in Turkey.
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Or classy player ruined by injuries and attitude. Not an unusual story.
Eriksen was a blessing for a lot of players - Kane for example.
 
El flaco said:
Or classy player ruined by injuries and attitude. Not an unusual story.
Eriksen was a blessing for a lot of players - Kane for example.
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I'm never sure how to spell his name, so usually put CE for convenience. Yes, he was a delight to watch at his peak, and his passing was sublime. He'd often target Kane for a knockdown, which was often finished off by Dele.
I hope Dele can find that winning combination, and as much as I called his poor form out, I will never forget that night in 2016 at Stoke, when we smashed them 0-4, and Kane and Dele played a blinder. The team really clicked, and the atmosphere after the game bordered on a religious experience; with everyone smiling, and singing on the way out of the stadium.
 
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