January 31st 2022 to December the 27th 2023
Missed games
Ryan Sessengnon: 41
Rodrigo Bentancur: 55
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January 31st 2022 to December the 27th 2023
Missed games
Ryan Sessengnon: 41
Rodrigo Bentancur: 55
There isn't much in it
Poster didn't mention talent. The reason to sell was being injured
Yeap, it's a serious post. The argument to sell Sessegnon was 'because he's injured'. I pointed out that another player has been out for longer than Ryan but now, injury isn't the reason to sell him, it's talent, which brings this back to the original post:
Was also hooked in the 3 previous games although not quite as early. Got beaten in the air for the first Preston goal. Way too early to judge him anyway, he’s just back from a long injury lay off, let’s see how he does over the next few months, would need to seriously impress in the championship to get a sniff with us next season.
He's also playing as LB, so good to see he's doing ok in that slightly unfamiliar position.
Aside from Championship he played 90 mins for Rennes at RB when they beat PSG with Messi and Mbappe in Paris - only thing that screwed up that loan for him was the early return from injury of RB and captain which restricted him to 8 appearances in French League. And before that played for Notts Forest beating PL sides Leicester and Woolwich before losing to Liverpool in FA Cup.
So he's shown he has the talent to be part of a team beating or competing with top sides - but actually didn't play much last season, and hasn't played much so far this season due to injury.
Its now down to getting fully match fit after a season and a half hardly playing, showing what he can do this season with Leeds as either LB or RB, having a chat with Ange at the end of the season who will decide if he's involved in pre-season or not.
Given the injury situ, can we end the loan now?
Convenient sample started exactly when Bentancur had an ACL tear.
Sess has been missing games for years.
Bentancur has had 2 injuries.
But the difference is that Bentancur was probably our best central midfield player from the time he signed until he got injured.
Sessegnon's best run of matches since he signed for Spurs was probably when he was on loan at Hoffenheim where he was certainly 'ok' but not 'outstanding'. Mainly due to injuries he's not had a long run of matches were he's looked good playing for Spurs. So our expectations for Sessegnon are that he's not going to be a top LB for us - he could be but odds seem to be against him.
What about the previous season, the season before that & the season before that? Sess has spent far more time injured in the 4 1/2yrs since he’s been with us than he has been fit to play. To compare him to Bentancur is ludicrous. To top it off, he has shown absolutely nothing in the few games he’s actually played for us that he will ever be good enough at this level. He’s been an awful signing
Bentancur joined on the 31st of January, 2022
He's our player ffs! Anyone would think I'm on an opposition forum! He's shit! He's shit! He's shit! What on earth is going on?
If you can honestly say with 100% accuracy that you know he has NO CHANCE OF IMPROVING under the current manager then fury muff, I bow to your insightfulness. My bad for wanting one of our own players to do well
If you can honestly say with 100% accuracy that you know he has NO CHANCE OF IMPROVING under the current manager then fury muff, I bow to your insightfulness. My bad for wanting one of our own players to do well
His entire career at Tottenham has been during a period when fans in their droves were switching off, refusing to watch the dross servered up by the pervious incumbent. Many were calling to sell Heung-Min Son. Look at Bissouma, Sarr. Pedro Porro closed his social media account. People were hoping his loan didn't have an obligation attached to sign him.
Surely Ryan Sessegnon deserves a chance?
He's not saleable atm as he's still recovering from his op.
And that means he almost certainly will not be able to demonstrate he's fully match fit by end Jan and therefore he cannot be sold.
So he will be available for the 2nd half of the season, just needs to show Ange he can play as a LB in his system - and if he can do that he's almost certainly going to see some game time in 2nd half of season.
So he'll have a chance - just depends upon whether he has the abilities to take it.
Sessegnon joined in August 2019 , so far has made less than 60 appearances for Spurs plus about 20 for Hoffenheim.
Not much playing time for 4 and a half seasons. And when fit has not been outstanding. Hence the odds are that in the 2nd half of the season if fit he's not going to suddenly look outstanding. Does he have a chance - yes door isn't closed yet
It’s not just a question of improving, to improve you have to be fit to play & he hardly ever is. His body is just not cut out to play professionally at a high intensity level. Look at his injury record, it’s appalling
| 23/24 | surgery | Jul 11, 2023 | - | 169 days |  19 |
| 22/23 | Hamstring injury | Feb 11, 2023 | Jun 30, 2023 | 139 days |  22 |
| 21/22 | Hamstring injury | Mar 7, 2022 | Apr 7, 2022 | 31 days | 7 |
| 21/22 | Muscle injury | Dec 21, 2021 | Jan 7, 2022 | 17 days | 5 |
| 21/22 | bruise | Sep 1, 2021 | Nov 14, 2021 | 74 days | 18 |
| 21/22 | Thigh problems | Jul 1, 2021 | Aug 15, 2021 | 45 days | 1 |
| 20/21 | Knock | Jan 9, 2021 | Feb 20, 2021 | 42 days |  8 |
| 20/21 | Quarantine | Nov 11, 2020 | Nov 16, 2020 | 5 days | 1 |
| 19/20 | Hamstring injury | Jun 21, 2019 | Nov 2, 2019 | 134 days |  33 |
Even if we do look to offload him, who in their right mind would actually pay money for him?
It’s not just a question of improving, to improve you have to be fit to play & he hardly ever is. His body is just not cut out to play professionally at a high intensity level. Look at his injury record, it’s appalling
23/24 surgery Jul 11, 2023 - 169 days 22/23 Hamstring injury Feb 11, 2023 Jun 30, 2023 139 days 21/22 Hamstring injury Mar 7, 2022 Apr 7, 2022 31 days 21/22 Muscle injury Dec 21, 2021 Jan 7, 2022 17 days 21/22 bruise Sep 1, 2021 Nov 14, 2021 74 days 21/22 Thigh problems Jul 1, 2021 Aug 15, 2021 45 days 20/21 Knock Jan 9, 2021 Feb 20, 2021 42 days 20/21 Quarantine Nov 11, 2020 Nov 16, 2020 5 days 19/20 Hamstring injury Jun 21, 2019 Nov 2, 2019 134 days
Even if we do look to offload him, who in their right mind would actually pay money for him?
Do you remember the game when he was frantically signaling the bench to come off and Conte screamed at him to stay on?
Richarlison looks like he's recovered exceptionally well - according to Son - post his operation. Maybe Ryan will be the same?
Boy’s worked his way to claim the RB spot now, good goal-line clearance first half Vs Baggies, good technicals going forward. Looks languid which gives off a vibe of not hard working, but clearly is (so far).
Has all the tools if he can get a good run to seasons end, might just be a solid Porro understudy (and Udogie).
Has all the tools if he can get a good run to seasons end, might just be a solid Porro understudy (and Udogie).
Nah not for me. Too rigid, can’t change direction
He’s playing within himself IMO. Seen multiple nice little angled passes, good control and touch.
Understand what you mean, but he’s a tall lad and good dribbler, so the sharp movements are in his locker (or can be trained to a reasonable level).
