It's completely bizarre. A good poster sent mad by a pathological need to snark the manager over every single aspect of his tenure even when he's been repeatedly shown the facts don't match his "feelings"
Sheesh
It’s fucking weird
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It's completely bizarre. A good poster sent mad by a pathological need to snark the manager over every single aspect of his tenure even when he's been repeatedly shown the facts don't match his "feelings"
Sheesh
If he doesn't get an England call up then Tuchel has already lost the plot.
Pretty sure over the last two pages of this thread he's gone from capable back up, to best left back at the club, to best full back full stop, to England shoe in, and now best footballer at the club...He might be the best footballer at the club, at least this season.
He got a chance only because of injury crisis. Gray was used as RB over him in the beginning of the season, he was not registered for UEL squad. That tells a story of a guy who was supposed to be 22-23th member of the squad.
After all, he is not the first one that exploded only because someone else got injured. It happens, what was in the past stays in the past. But I will be really mad if he is back on the bench the moment Udogie is back. And I want to see some minutes for him as RB when Udo is back as well.
Many will be absolutely furious when it happens including me but Ange will probably stick him back on the bench when Udogie is back fit.He doesn’t deserve to be on the bench for either Udogie or Porro.
I think the loans were never intended to broker a deal to sell Spence.
Daniel Farke had Spence at Leeds and the same playbook prevailed as the one when Farke 'looked after' Marcus Edwards at Norwich.
Spence was probably pissed off, during this period, for no other reason than he knew he was the best full back at Spurs, just like we do now, and couldn't understand why a football club would prefer to loan out their better players than actually play them in the first team.
The only person at THFC with an attitude problem is Daniel Greedy.
He has an indifferent attitude towards creating a successful team.
The facts are as follows;So it's the guy who bought the player you rate ,not the guy who didn't play him that is the issue.
we have had some good chats mate - but honestly, you sound like a MAGA cultist whose every thought or instinct they have starts with 'Joe Biden'
Everything I read of yours starts with the premise that it is Levy's fault and you find a way to that conclusion however you can...
And just like a MAGA cultist, I know you won't be able to see it or get it.... but it's there, it's real, and it's weird.

The facts are as follows;
The club (Levy) signed Djed Spence while Conte was the manager and he made his feelings clear.
The club (Levy) then sacked Conte and appointed Ange.
Ange has 'chosen' to initially overlook Spence, from team selection, for best part of 18 months.
Ange has then 'chosen' to select Spence for the team, during an injury crisis, but only play him at left back, despite assertions from many that Porro is 'tired' and overplayed.
I know you won't be able to see it or get it.... but it's there, it's real, and it's weird.
There are also a bunch of cults, on various THFC forums, who continue to apologise for and defend this weirdness by attempting to insult anyone who questions it, on a personal level, by conflating the truth and calling for banning orders .
What a bunch of weirdo's.
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This meme has got completely out of control. You have no idea what Ange thinks/thought about Spence. So let's try and address facts, eh?
We know Spence was on the verge of being flogged to Genoa last summer. We don't know what happened next but presumably he went to the manager and stated he wanted to try and break into the team. Postecoglou gave him one last chance - one that all of Spence's previous managers except Steve Cooper hadn't.
That is fact. All we know for certain is that Spence was about to flogged for a loss. but ended up staying.
So now he's bottom of the pile. He has to prove himself. Train hard, show willing and fight for his chance.
That chance came against Coventry on 18th September. Came on second half - out of position as LB - and was great. Took his chance. Now he's caught the eye but he's still got a lot to prove. Porro is clearly number 1 RB; Udogie clearly number 1 LB. So it's going to be hard.
He's on the bench for the 3-1 win over Brentford. Fair enough. Still got a long way to go to break into the PL team.
He then gets 45 minutes in the win against United. Replaces Udogie (who is not injured just rested) for the second half and again plays well out of position. He's now trusted by the manager to have PL minutes when we're in good position. And is now an option to rotate in game out of position LB/RB. He has the managers trust. This is going well. He's moving up the squad ladder.
Then its the Brighton game - he almost certainly would have made a sub appearance if we were in control but disaster strikes and we throw away a 0-2 lead. Postecoglou relies on his 1st teamers to get out of the mess they created. Mistake? Probably. Understandable - probably. Most managers don't turn to fringe players to get them out of a jam.
And what happens next? Spence gets a groin injury. He misses 3 games. Back on the bench as an unused sub for Ipswich. Comes on late in the City win to help see it out. This groin injury is a set back. This is what stalled his progress.
The next 3 games is where Postecoglou leaves him on the bench as we suffer a series of disappointing results. This is the one patch of the year where you can legitimately say Postecoglou made a mistake. But considering Spence started at the bottom of the pile he wasn't getting ahead of Porro and Udogie who were NOT INJURED and we desperately needed results and under pressure managers rely on what they know has worked for them. But, yes, feel free to have a crack at Postecoglou for this stretch of games.
But Djed keeps going. Doesn't drop his head. Finally gets his chance when he starts against Southampton. He's great.
And hasn't missed a game since EXCEPT for the Wolves game where he was suspended. The Wolves game was where Udogie did his hamstring. Spence couldn't have played because he was suspended.
And since then he's played every game hes been available for and has now proved himself beyond doubt.
Those are the facts. If you look at them and still want to continue this fantasy that Postecoglou never gave him a chance or never believed in him then I'd suggest you are exhibiting "cult like" behaviour.
In this shitty clusterfuck of a season the one good thing - one feel good story - has been Djed Spence turning his career around with the help of the manager who gave him a chance.
Oh - and the REAL MISTAKE Postecoglou made wasn't in not believing in Spence (he clearly did as shown above) it was NOT BELIEVING in Brandon Austin. If he did then Spence gets in the EL squad over Forster and the whole process outlined above would have been accelerated.
Porro is clearly number 1 RBSpence's first start in the Premier League was at RB - resting Porro who was on the bench. Udogie started on the left.
I've already written a fairly comprehensive timeline of Spence's reintegration at the club but I'll post it again for you in case you missed it. That way you can be properly informed.
Here you go:
I won't comment on your Levy take on this because I don't know enough about the inner workings of the club except to say Postecoglou doesn't seem the type to take orders about on-field matters from the Chairman but I could be wrong.

Porro is clearly number 1 RB
My point on the issues around Spence are as follows;
None of us know what goes on at Spurs on the training ground and in private conversations between the chairman and the manager.
Most of what supporters are told about these matters are from official sources via the club or rumours from the 'i am hearing crowd' like Ali Gold and the usual suspects.
We know fuck all is something I think we can agree on.
Your assertions about who has been first choice in the full back positions under Ange are also something I do not dispute.
The preference for Porro at right back and Udogie at left back has been obvious. Many supporters feel both have been over played; especially this season.
Spence was mustard during pre season. Surprisingly so.
He was then left out until he was sent to Coventry.
Spence single handedly rescued Spurs at Coventry, while playing out of position on the left.
He was then 'absent' with 'injury' until Udogie got injured.
Spence has consistently been one of the best players in a Spurs shirt ever since.
Choosing to believe the bad attitude, trouble maker, narrative is an option if that is what tickles your fancy.
I call bullshit.
Spence is quality and Porro is the fraud.
The Spain coach was right.
The Tamworth left winger showed all Spurs supporters who the best right or left back at Spurs really is.
I can point to 40 million reasons why Porro has been picked ahead of Spence and it isn't because of Spence's attitude.
Keep going.
You have your opinion; I have mine.Again most of your posting is pure conjecture but the bit in bold is simply factually incorrect. Again I suggest you look at the FACTUAL timeline I've written up. Spence was being integrated slowly bu surely into the first team squad rotation until he, Spence, got injured. Not "injured" - there was no conspiracy. He had a groin injury.
Spence's first start was at RB. He played Vs Nottingham Forrest and got two yellow cards so was suspended for Wolves which is the game where Udogie got injured. These are facts. Ignoring them is weird.
I agree with you that Spence is better than Porro but that is simply our preference.
I'm a huge Spence fan but there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to suggest the problem has never been his talent but his application. There's overwhelming evidence to suggest that he's grown as a person and, with the support of the manager, now an integral part fo our first team squad.
This is objectively a good thing. I don't understand your need to drag it through the mud but that's fine - it's your opinion. But please get the facts right.