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Player Djed Spence

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Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
The odd thing about Conte and there’s a bloody long list. He now just refuses to work with young players. It's odd because he can and is good at making players. Victor Moses wide forward to title winning wingback. Same with Ashley Young.

He clearly had the hump and flat out refused to consider Djed for selection, this would understandably hurt the player. If he had tried he'd have found out all the deeply suspect attitude talk was hiding an exceptionally talented player perfect for his system.

Spence became collateral in a power play and credulous folk were very quick to pile in. I'm delighted he's now shown everyone his talent because if ever we're we stupid enough to sleep on him he now has some very high profile admirers I'm told. So it's going to be fascinating if he gets to challenge Porro for his favoured position Spence will have him on toast in a genuine meritocracy.
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I have had my own suspicions that Spence just didn't really want to play at the clubs he was on loan at because his goal was to play for Spurs. And that was the real reason behind his struggles,

Now he's had a chat with Ange who saw the talent and after his coaching team like Matt Wells also made a case for Djed, for the first time Djed was given a route into the first team here that he felt he could actually achieve and he's decided to make it happen.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Spence became collateral in a power play and credulous folk were very quick to pile in. I'm delighted he's now shown everyone his talent because if ever we're we stupid enough to sleep on him he now has some very high profile admirers I'm told. So it's going to be fascinating if he gets to challenge Porro for his favoured position Spence will have him on toast in a genuine meritocracy.
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I 100% think this is the story.

My view has always been that Conte wanted a player like Djed Spence but proven.

This is what has happened to several managers under ENIC.

When an ENIC THFC manager wants a particular type of player one of Levy's many dof stooges goes into full Gregg Wallace mode and takes the "Eat Well For Less" approach to the transfer.

"So you want a top quality right wing back Antonio"? We can't afford the wages of the player you want us to bring in so how about Djed Spence?

This was reflected in the first bit of dissent from Conte with his remarks on the Spence signing.

What beggars belief is that we then hire a new coach and Spence is binned off and slated.

What a way to run a fucking football club.

Spence has clearly happened by accident; just like Harry Kane, and the bullshit narratives to cover this obvious truth just tumble out of the mouths of the same clowns who justify Levyology no matter how crass or embarrassing the reality of the situation is.
 
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Kosher Kid said:
I 100% think this is the story.

My view has always been that Conte wanted a player like Djed Spence but proven.

This is what has happened to several managers under ENIC.

When an ENIC THFC manager wants a particular type of player one of Levy's many dof stooges goes into full Gregg Wallace mode and takes the "Eat Well For Less" approach to the transfer.

"So you want a top quality right wing back Antonio"? We can't afford the wages of the player you want us to bring in so how about Djed Spence?

This was reflected in the first bit of dissent from Conte with his remarks on the Spence signing.

What beggars belief is that we then hire a new coach and Spence is binned off and slated.

What a way to run a fucking football club.

Spence has clearly happened by accident; just like Harry Kane, and the bullshit narratives to cover this obvious truth just tumble out of the mouths of the same clowns who justify Levyology no matter how crass or embarrassing the reality of the situation is.
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Yep spot on. And I hate to say this but I'm not going to ignore the Elephant. Kane got time and patience loads of loans that didn't really stick without this having any reflection on who he is as a human. Now the blokes a fantastic human...but it's funny how some narratives quickly make some kinds of people bad as opposed to others. I'm just glad both these brilliant players have thrived almost despite THFC best efforts. The club is so fucking haphazard.

I'm a little worried for some of the young guys Hall, Adjay, Donnely too if I'm honest. I don't see a very certain road map.
 
Kosher Kid said:
You have your opinion; I have mine.

I see so many similarities with what happened to Marcus Edwards at Spurs that I can no longer buy into any of the crap that is spouted by the brown nosing journalists who 'hear things' from the club.

Both Edwards and Spence found it difficult to get game time at Spurs when they clearly had more ability than players that got game time.

Both were loaned to Daniel Farke teams and subsequently had their character assasinated with whispered rumours of having the wrong attitude, being difficult, or keeping the wrong company off the pitch.

There was talk of Edwards having contractual issues during his time at Spurs. Spence managed to get his new contract sorted before he began being picked regularly.

Neither you or I really know the real reasons why Spence was left out for 18 months when he is clearly a very talented footballer.

Whatever the reason was it makes Spurs look foolish.

Who continually makes Spurs look foolish?
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LOL proper moon howler this one. Daniel Farke is even part of the conspiracy!

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Kosher Kid said:
The facts are as follows;

The club (Levy) signed Djed Spence while Conte was the manager and he made his feelings clear.

The club (Levy) then sacked Conte and appointed Ange.

Ange has 'chosen' to initially overlook Spence, from team selection, for best part of 18 months.

Ange has then 'chosen' to select Spence for the team, during an injury crisis, but only play him at left back, despite assertions from many that Porro is 'tired' and overplayed.

I know you won't be able to see it or get it.... but it's there, it's real, and it's weird.

There are also a bunch of cults, on various THFC forums, who continue to apologise for and defend this weirdness by attempting to insult anyone who questions it, on a personal level, by conflating the truth and calling for banning orders .

What a bunch of weirdo's.

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Dude, that makes no sense so much supposition and heresay.

The ultimate fact is that he is here, he is playing, and he is playing well.

Club signing playing well for the club..... should be fucking celebrated.
 
Kosher Kid said:
The facts are as follows;

The club (Levy) signed Djed Spence while Conte was the manager and he made his feelings clear.

The club (Levy) then sacked Conte and appointed Ange.

Ange has 'chosen' to initially overlook Spence, from team selection, for best part of 18 months.

Ange has then 'chosen' to select Spence for the team, during an injury crisis, but only play him at left back, despite assertions from many that Porro is 'tired' and overplayed.

I know you won't be able to see it or get it.... but it's there, it's real, and it's weird.

There are also a bunch of cults, on various THFC forums, who continue to apologise for and defend this weirdness by attempting to insult anyone who questions it, on a personal level, by conflating the truth and calling for banning orders .

What a bunch of weirdo's.

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Thank you! BRAVO- excellent post
 
Kosher Kid said:
What a bunch of weirdo's.
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I’m pretty sure many of these people with these strong opinions weren’t even forum members here when Spence was signed (unless they are multis of disgraced former members- as has long suspected to be the case for several prominent past forum members who went awol- everyone suspected they would turn up again someday in some other form). I know you and I were here however.

My point is that we don’t even have a record to refer to of their opinions on the matter. For many of these folks there’s not a verifiable record on here that they were paying attention to this issue in real time.
 
Kosher Kid said:
You have your opinion; I have mine.

I see so many similarities with what happened to Marcus Edwards at Spurs that I can no longer buy into any of the crap that is spouted by the brown nosing journalists who 'hear things' from the club.

Both Edwards and Spence found it difficult to get game time at Spurs when they clearly had more ability than players that got game time.

Both were loaned to Daniel Farke teams and subsequently had their character assasinated with whispered rumours of having the wrong attitude, being difficult, or keeping the wrong company off the pitch.

There was talk of Edwards having contractual issues during his time at Spurs. Spence managed to get his new contract sorted before he began being picked regularly.

Neither you or I really know the real reasons why Spence was left out for 18 months when he is clearly a very talented footballer.

Whatever the reason was it makes Spurs look foolish.

Who continually makes Spurs look foolish?
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I’ll differ from you here in that I suspect Ange accepted Contes take on Spence as his default position, and was too busy with our other squad issues last season (and Emerson Royal) to worry much about Spence, and only opened the door for him to truly remain in the squad after Spence made a personal outreach to him this past summer, while also realizing that he was desperately short in his rotation and might actually need him. To not trust Levy to provide him a backup LB was smart of Ange so I credit him for at least keeping this possibility alive for himself.

I suspect Ange didn’t trust Spence but left the option open to use him at some point as long as he was a good citizen and trained well. In the end he absolutely needed him and Spence took the opportunity with both hands and has given Ange no reason to drop him since. Of course that he will remain starting when Udogie return for example is an open question, nor have we seen Spence played ahead of Porro at RB. It remains to be seen what Ange will do.

As for Farke I suspect he’s just a bit of a too honest complainer and elected not to hold back about Spence or Edward’s, who probably both were lazy trainers or otherwise disrespectful and earned bad if not perhaps a bit harsh reputations for themselves.

As far as Porro goes my take is that Ange simply has favorites and elects to play players every game if they are decided to be fit enough. I strongly suspect Porro is very much trusted by Ange, who recognizes his incredible ball striking and deliveries.

Ange seems to have some idea in his head that first choice players at their positions ALWAYS retain their natural positions, and that subs merely fit in around them wherever they can. I know he has deviated from this a bit with wingers and Kulu, but for the most part it really has held true. My own take is that is a suboptimal strategy, but I can also understand Ange having a set idea about how his rotation will work, for better or worse.

I don’t see this so much as any kind of conspiracy as more like forgetting you bought a cool piece of gear, and then realizing what you’d forgotten later on. Spence for me was wrongly or rightly marooned by Conte, and has worked very hard to put himself in a position to be remembered by Ange and the club.

In the end though I don’t care so much about how so much as I’m glad he’s come good for us and can help lead our resurgence in the league.
 
bk_spur said:
Aww- it’s ok- we can respectfully disagree can’t we? Do we really need to accuse each other of being cultists?
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bk_spur said:
I’ll differ from you here in that I suspect Ange accepted Contes take on Spence as his default position, and was too busy with our other squad issues last season (and Emerson Royal) to worry much about Spence, and only opened the door for him to truly remain in the squad after Spence made a personal outreach to him this past summer, while also realizing that he was desperately short in his rotation and might actually need him. To not trust Levy to provide him a backup LB was smart of Ange so I credit him for at least keeping this possibility alive for himself.

I suspect Ange didn’t trust Spence but left the option open to use him at some point as long as he was a good citizen and trained well. In the end he absolutely needed him and Spence took the opportunity with both hands and has given Ange no reason to drop him since. Of course that he will remain starting when Udogie return for example is an open question, nor have we seen Spence played ahead of Porro at RB. It remains to be seen what Ange will do.

As for Farke I suspect he’s just a bit of a too honest complainer and elected not to hold back about Spence or Edward’s, who probably both were lazy trainers or otherwise disrespectful and earned bad if not perhaps a bit harsh reputations for themselves.

As far as Porro goes my take is that Ange simply has favorites and elects to play players every game if they are decided to be fit enough. I strongly suspect Porro is very much trusted by Ange, who recognizes his incredible ball striking and deliveries.

Ange seems to have some idea in his head that first choice players at their positions ALWAYS retain their natural positions, and that subs merely fit in around them wherever they can. I know he has deviated from this a bit with wingers and Kulu, but for the most part it really has held true. My own take is that is a suboptimal strategy, but I can also understand Ange having a set idea about how his rotation will work, for better or worse.

I don’t see this so much as any kind of conspiracy as more like forgetting you bought a cool piece of gear, and then realizing what you’d forgotten later on. Spence for me was wrongly or rightly marooned by Conte, and has worked very hard to put himself in a position to be remembered by Ange and the club.

In the end though I don’t care so much about how so much as I’m glad he’s come good for us and can help lead our resurgence in the league.
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You're right about Porro.... and some favourites are warranted.....Would Klopp, or Slot, ever drop TAA in the Prem if he was available?

Of all DR and DL he has the 3rd most key passes, 2nd most assists in the league.... and Spence/Udogie don't seem to cross much, if at all.
 
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