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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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The Outsider said:
Finally John you've realised we've improved - took a log time before you admitted that

Remember in the 1981-2000 era it was all about wining domestic trophies as there was no top four CL money machine and we were banned from Europe for five years anyway.

Would you rather win the League Cup or finish top 4? Tough call, you can't win the CL if you're not in it.

However much it hurts you to admit it ENIC have taken us from mid-table to regular top six

81-90 average league position 7.4
91-00 average league position 11.0
01-10 average league position 8.0
11-20 average league position 4.5

The last decade with an average league position of 4.5 was the best in our entire history ...

BUT

We do now need to add trophies and titles to that improvement ... 4.5 is good yet it's still not where we want to be.
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If we'd been playing champions league football for 50%+ of that 20 year period I'd agree it was an improvement.

But 5 years out of 20 is barely credible. We've been on the outside looking in for the majority of the ENIC tenure.
 
Matt1882 said:
Eubank almost killing Michael Watson in the early 90s is one...




You realise ENIC is a company. It's not a one man band. It'll exist long after he's gone and it's technically not Lewis himself that owns their shares in THFC, it's ENIC the company.

The whole point of ENIC is to make money. They invest in other businesses, grow that business and make that business make more money to make ENIC more money. That is what they do.

THFC were a cheap a purchase in 2000 for a club with the badge prestige of Spurs. We were dog shit, yes, but still regarded as a pretty bug club. Example is Les Ferdinand and Ginola leaving Newcastle citing Spurs as a bigger club. Newcastle were better than us by quite a way for the 5-6 years prior.
So ENIC come in, before the dawn of the wealthy owner.
From day 1 the ENIC plan is:

Build/improve the stadium. More bums on sears = more money.

Build up the academy. More youth players = less expenditure on players and sales generate money.

Improve the training ground. This helps whatever coach is there to improve the players. Not against this obviously but it's another sign of the plan.

At no point have ENIC ever had the intention of ploughing any liquid cash into the first team to inprove results and push on. That's a heavy gamble with money. It may work. It may not. It may lead to expectation to carry on doing it to maintain it.

It's far better for ENIC that we're doing ok every year getting a PL TV cheque, PL level sponsorship deals and a bit of European football. Don't start winning stuff as then you have to be seen to be ready to push on.
When have we ever been seen to push on?

We're also in a catch 22 now whereby we once bought talent on the cheap and sold it on but fan expectation has changed and it's not accepted as good business. Furthermore, the idea you can buy a Bale for £5m, sell for £80m profit and plough it is to the team again proved to be a bit of a disaster. It didn't move us on because we wasted most of it.


Last point - There is at least some belief certain people contributed to the occurrence of Black Wednesday. These market crashes don't happen by chance or accident. We'll never know if Lewis and his crooked mates were pulling strings at the time to make sure it happened, but the fact he knew it was coming and banked a lot on it suggests he did.
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ENIC is a company, but Levy is the only representative making decisions apart from his other board members (and they rarely seem to be involved). From a Spurs perspective, he calls the shots.

I suspect Lewis set the strategy of zero borrowing /investment for footballers, infrastructure investment only. Fingers crossed he’s dead in the next year or so
 
The Outsider said:
Finally John you've realised we've improved - took a log time before you admitted that

Remember in the 1981-2000 era it was all about wining domestic trophies as there was no top four CL money machine and we were banned from Europe for five years anyway.

Would you rather win the League Cup or finish top 4? Tough call, you can't win the CL if you're not in it.

However much it hurts you to admit it ENIC have taken us from mid-table to regular top six

81-90 average league position 7.4
91-00 average league position 11.0
01-10 average league position 8.0
11-20 average league position 4.5

The last decade with an average league position of 4.5 was the best in our entire history ...

BUT

We do now need to add trophies and titles to that improvement ... 4.5 is good yet it's still not where we want to be.
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That’s the point - people blindly argue they are either excellent or awful. Clearly they’ve done ok, even on the football side so it’s a middle ground but even Levy must kick himself over the missed opportunities to really invest and win things (which in term increases top line which is his #1 priority)
 
Archie said:
Like I've said to you loads of times
1 trophy in 20 years is not an improvement
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We finished 12th the year before ENIC joined.

We've finished 2nd under them and got to a CL final.

Now I know you're trying to paint a narrative, but live in reality. We've improved under them undoubtedly but have regressed in the past season and half.

We still haven't regressed to the level of 2001. So to say we haven't improved is factually incorrect.

Example...Brighton were in the Div 3 in 2001 and are now in the Premiership. They haven't won any ''major'' trophy in that time. So by your logic that is not an improvement?
 
The Outsider said:
Agreed - in 20 years taken us from a mid-table near bankrupt club to a top six side with facilities the envy of every other EPL side .... but

The question is can they now push us over that final step and actually win something?
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Near bankrupt? I think Alan Sugar might have something to say about that. He was very much Mr Spendwithinyourmeans. The baton was handed to Enic with the finances in decent shape.

All facilities which increase the value of the club and of course its sell on value.

I can’t see how all the repeated mistakes especially regarding the actual footballing side of the club (the reason why it exists!!) mean Enic are to be lauded. I suggest certain people go and read the Independent’s recent article about Levy and his decisions…
 
Zomb said:
ENIC is a company, but Levy is the only representative making decisions apart from his other board members (and they rarely seem to be involved). From a Spurs perspective, he calls the shots.

I suspect Lewis set the strategy of zero borrowing /investment for footballers, infrastructure investment only. Fingers crossed he’s dead in the next year or so
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You do have to wonder what direction the club goes when he's gone.
Is he getting a better deal for Spurs from the ENIC company by being a Spurs fan? What if his successor is a gooner?
 
Matt1882 said:
You do have to wonder what direction the club goes when he's gone.
Is he getting a better deal for Spurs from the ENIC company by being a Spurs fan? What if his successor is a gooner?
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He’s not a fan and I couldn’t care less if he’s a Gooner. In that position, he will be suitably motivated and incentivised to achieve, hence the fact that ‘Levy is a fan’ has no bearing


or are you referring to that tax dodging, tortoise faced bastard in Bermuda?
 
SchmoodSpur said:
We finished 12th the year before ENIC joined.

We've finished 2nd under them and got to a CL final.

Now I know you're trying to paint a narrative, but live in reality. We've improved under them undoubtedly but have regressed in the past season and half.

We still haven't regressed to the level of 2001. So to say we haven't improved is factually incorrect.

Example...Brighton were in the Div 3 in 2001 and are now in the Premiership. They haven't won any ''major'' trophy in that time. So by your logic that is not an improvement?
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Agreed, we have improved under ENIC stewardship.
However, our ticket prices and merchandise costs have gone up significantly, to the extent that our season ticket prices are right up there at the top.
I think it is fair to expect to see us competing up at the top given that fact.
 
SchmoodSpur said:
We finished 12th the year before ENIC joined.

We've finished 2nd under them and got to a CL final.

Now I know you're trying to paint a narrative, but live in reality. We've improved under them undoubtedly but have regressed in the past season and half.

We still haven't regressed to the level of 2001. So to say we haven't improved is factually incorrect.

Example...Brighton were in the Div 3 in 2001 and are now in the Premiership. They haven't won any ''major'' trophy in that time. So by your logic that is not an improvement?
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Promotion is completely different because your rewarded with playing in a higher league. We are the 9th richest team I the world. We constantly plead poverty and when we do get a manager in that needs backing enic only go so far...then that particular manager gets sacked. Its the enic levy cycle
 
The Outsider said:
But going from mid table to regular top six and reaching our first ever CL Final is an improvement .....

It's the difference between optimism and pessimism .... be happy that our League and European status has improved, or be sad that we haven't won a few more Domestic Cups, that's your choice.
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And continue to watch levy not back managers and blame them for the failure that happens on the pitch. Then the same process is repeated time and again
 
HenryHotspur said:
Agreed, we have improved under ENIC stewardship.
However, our ticket prices and merchandise costs have gone up significantly, to the extent that our season ticket prices are right up there at the top.
I think it is fair to expect to see us competing up at the top given that fact.
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Absolutely. But to say we haven't improved as a club under ENIC is nonsense.

We didn't come above Woolwich for how long?

Now we do it every year.

Not that it's an achievement in itself, but it's fucking improvement.
 
Zomb said:
He’s not a fan and I couldn’t care less if he’s a Gooner. In that position, he will be suitably motivated and incentivised to achieve, hence the fact that ‘Levy is a fan’ has no bearing


or are you referring to that tax dodging, tortoise faced bastard in Bermuda?
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The latter lol.
I worry that even though we're his golden goose, it could actually get worse when he's pushing up daisies and the next person steps up.
 
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