They're just words without actually explaining anything in regards to how you're meant to work on them, what working on infrastructure and naming rights actually entail?
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They're just words without actually explaining anything in regards to how you're meant to work on them, what working on infrastructure and naming rights actually entail?
Well he's ' Chief Football Officer' I don't know what his job description is. I guess it's someone in between Levy and the manager.
Google says it's ''The responsibilities of the Chief Football Officer include the identification, articulation (technical strategy, curriculum, coach education content and implementation of consistent technical philosophy and strategy, particularly at the elite levels of the sport.''
But I still don't know what that is?
First of all, I am not arguing with you, I am simply saying that what I said was not laughable or hysterical, to suggest a footballing preseason tour is related to footballing operations seems to be fairly reasonable doesn't it?
I have also made it clear in previous posts that I am not saying he is there to purposefully be involved in footballing matters, I have already said he could be there for other matters, my initial statement was "I thought he was supposed to be stepping back from footballing operations?" And my question was, if that's the case, why is he on a footballing preseason tour and on a training pitch with the manager and players? Is that not footballing operations?
All I have said is that I see no purpose for him being on a training pitch and that it seems like that goes against the idea he is stepping back from footballing operations.
I haven't twisted anything, especially considering I said afterwards to
GOAT
that he could also be there for a number of non footballing related reasons and that is also a valid position to take, however, like I said, I feel those things could be accomplished from London.Shady, I am not doing this, this is what I am talking about when I say you draw people into prolonged petty squabbles and that I won't be a part of that.
I am not going into the minutia of what working on infrastructure and naming rights entails because it would be a pointless waste of my time to do so and I have no idea of the small details involved in that.
However, it's pretty obvious that Daniel is an integeral part to adding infrastructure, building the club commercially and working on a naming rights deal that will secure us more money for the future, these are things that he HAS been and continues to be involved with by his OWN admission.
All of these things require his attention more than him attending a preseason tour and being on a training pitch, unless of course this trip is related to non footballing operations for him personally which I will then stand corrected.
There has to be some reason that we're travelling around the world to play West Ham and Leiscester when they're based just down the road. I just don't know what it is? Ange said in an interview that it gives people a chance to watch our matches and see the players that otherwise wouldn't due to the distance.
Maybe Levy is working on TV deals there or something, and him appearing with the players on video is some kind of propaganda strategy.
Maybe our stadium will get called Optus Stadium?
Maybe the little prick is a megalomaniac lunatic that can’t delegate. The last 23 years would certainly indicate that to be the case
This is why I wanted you to break down what you mean 'football operations' are, you said it's about working on naming rights and infrastructure., just ask yourself this question, do you really think that someone who is working on those things cannot work abroad? Do you not think he can use a phone or jump on a meeting if needs be? What's the image you want to see, do you want to see him on his mobile? do you want to see him wearing a hard hat? I don't understand what would satisfy your remit of working on what you just mentioned?
Football operations has never been about being on a training pitch btw otherwise the phrase stepping back from football ops wouldn't make sense as it would suggest that he's always on the training pitch, it has always been about getting himself involved in day to day running of the football side i.e the operations which is literally the thing you've just suggested that he works on.
I don't know about you but using a still, totally out of context picture then forming an opinion about how he conducts his business is pretty nuts to me.
It could just be that he likes the tours so he goes on them, and he went to the training ground because he had nothing better to do at that time in Australia. You could be right though insomuch that he likes the limelight.
Just a friendly tip, try not to hate so much on Levy it's only going to bring your mood down with those negative waves man.
After 23 years, we all know he’s not there to bond with his staff. Peculiar little rodentOnly in football CEO binding with their staff can be been seen as a negative.
No, I said non footballing operations could be considered working on naming rights and infrastructure, NOT footballing operations, I don't want him involved with anything related to the performance of the football team, the experts should be handling that.
Of course he could use his phone and jump on a meeting and do that from anywhere, that much is obvious but you cannot tell me for one second him being involved on a training pitch and travelling for what many would consider a footballing operation would not be a distraction to non footballing operations?
This is after all the reason we had a DOF before, so Levy had more time to deal with other aspects of the club, was it not? So he wouldn't have to be completely involved in transfers etc, otherwise a DOF is pretty pointless imo.
Levy may not always be on the training pitch but as evidenced by many at the club and himself, he is at the training ground, he has an office that he works from there and he is ever present, he himself admitted that he likes to be involved in all the details regarding footballing matters on the Amazon documentary and this is the thing that many were expecting him to take a step away from.
Basically to make sure things are running smoothly in the background and to delegate football responsibilities to the people who know about football.
Him being on a training pitch with the playing staff or travelling for preseason footballing operations doesn't give the impression he is distancing himself from that.
He may be there for other purposes unrelated to footballing matters and that's fine, he may be there for any number of reasons but I don't understand why that would involve him being on the training pitch.
You're right in the sense that the still picture may literally just be him passing through and wishing the players good luck etc (doubtful as he is in training gear ffs lol) you can't read much from a still picture but would that be reason enough to travel all the way there with the team and show up at training? I just doesn't add up to me.
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You could be right, not denying that, I think both opinions are valid.
Levy always goes on these tours, why is this news?
It’s perfectly normal. A chance for him to meet face to face with other clubs, with potential sponsors or partners, why wouldn’t he be out there? Especially with a new manager I’m sure he wants to see first hand how he works and get to know him.
It’s perfectly normal. A chance for him to meet face to face with other clubs, with potential sponsors or partners, why wouldn’t he be out there? Especially with a new manager I’m sure he wants to see first hand how he works and get to know him.
I think this is the problem today with so much stuff being in the media and everyone having a camera. So much opinion is attached to every little thing we see and hear when we have no context whatsoever to actually base a valid opinion.
Here is a question - have you ever had any idea about what Levy does in his day-to-day role? Ever seen his calendar or had insight into his meeting schedule?
Thats the reason it doesn't add up to you, in my opinion. Because you or I or 99.9% of people on the planet have no idea whatsoever what Daniel Levy is up to during his day-to-day life. Why would it add up to any of us when we have absolutely no idea whatsoever?
Then what happens is individual bias takes over. Those that tend to think negatively about the chairman and the stuff they believe he spends his time with attach their bias and of course, he is there to interfere and avoid doing his actual job.
I personally believe this is the most important thing that you said
'you can't read much from a still picture'
The only things we know for sure is 1, he is in Aus and went to the training ground and 2, we have no idea why he is there.
But here's the thing, how do you know he's involved going off a still, when you say involved are you suggesting that he is taking charge of the training? Do you think he's setting up the training cones? Telling Ange what to do and how to coach the team, what does the term involved really mean to you?
You then go onto mention transfers and making sure things are running smoothly in the background, well again him being on tour on a training pitch is a total contradiction to that so I'm not entirely sure what your point is?
I think you have probably taken this 'football operations' things too literally, taking a step back football operations has always been about him undermining his managers and stepping in when he's not needed because he generally has never had a clue on how to run the club, what you're suggesting here is that he's doing that to Ange which I've never heard of Levy taking control of training or just being present on the training field in my life.
Have you ever thought to yourself that he's most probably there to bond with his manager and the players, has it ever crossed your mind that he took a picture for it for a bit of PR which I wouldn't put it past them to do? I don't think we need to go all Colombo on a picture when there really is nothing to it.
I bet everyone looks forward to a visit from Rupert Murdoch or Donald Trump or Alan Sugar etc etcOnly in football CEO bonding with their staff can be been seen as a negative.
But you're asking for me to be pedantic about every little thing Daniel Levy does, this is the Simon Jordan take on issues.
What we know is what we have all heard from Levy himself, which is that he likes to be involved in every detail, based on that alone we can make a fair and reasonable assumption that includes the footballing operations.
That is without statements from people who have worked under him about what he is like.
But you're right, I don't know what time he takes his morning shit or makes his cup of coffee, those details allude me so I can't make any assumptions about the man based on his own words or behaviours.
I don't have a personal vendetta against Levy, this isn't related to bias, it's literally an opinion based on repeated behaviours.
I admit I am not a fan of the way he operates on the football side of things but I can also recognise the great things he has done on the business side, off the pitch, it's annoying that I have to repeat that so many times as I feel this whole debate is so toxic now with people picking "sides" like it's a political matter.
You are right that we have no idea why he is there, that is undeniable. But we also know he has a reputation for being involved in all the small details, therefore is it a huge reach to assume he may be getting involved with footballing matters?
For me, yes. I have personally never read anything with regard to him getting involved with training, formations, fitness or any of the, let's call it, physical side of the game.
In fact - by all accounts, we hear that managers/coaches seem to have control over a fair bit without interference from Levy. I doubt it is Levy who keeps banning Ketchup for example.
My take on the little details has always been when it comes to transfers and hirings/firings of staff rather than anything to do with the physical aspects of the players fitness, training regimes or anything like that. If you have any information counter to that id be happy to read it and change my views accordingly.
Oh and I wasn't trying to say you in particular have a nefarious bias. We all have bias to some extent and things like this often do bring that out.
Thank goodness Dan interfered to get Ndombele motivated in the Amazon documentary
From a still picture yes.
The same way that people were having a go at Ndombele's body language on getting out of that car last week and deducting all sort of things from it due to their confirmation bias.