Yes we know the nuisances, but those players haven’t been replaced with similar quality on similar wages (partly) hence why we are 15th in the league.
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Yes we know the nuisances, but those players haven’t been replaced with similar quality on similar wages (partly) hence why we are 15th in the league.
The club should be more ambitious than this.
Some good players listed. They might come good, but they might not. Udogie and Sarr are already starting to struggle. We’ve seen nothing of Odobert or Moore. VdV and Gray look the business.
There’s always the risk of tricking ourselves into thinking that young players are guaranteed to develop simply by affording them more time at an earlier stage. In fact, all you work out is whether they’re good enough quicker.
ENIC love this profile of player because you don’t have to pay them high wages.
It’s not good enough. If we have any even remote intention of competing, we need to transfer in players that demand 200k plus a week. Yes, Solanke was £65 million. But we got him because he’s on 125k a week. There are Chav players you’ve never heard of that earn that.
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That looks shit to be fair. I’ve spent years believing the ownership, but stuff like this does not help such a stance.
Plenty to have a go at about the owners, but this is hyperbole and stuff like this dilutes the actual arguments against their ownership.
We are in no way whatsoever an entertainment company with a football team in the background.
Let’s say we hadn’t built the stadium and we’re still at WHL. What would the club be worth? £2-3b? And a mile down the road there was a venue that put on the odd concert, boxing match, etc and had a karting track. That company might be worth £300 - £500m? Numbers plucked out of my arse to be fair, but the general point stands.
ENIC are an investment company. They aren’t ignoring the big money in favour of the small. Why on earth would they do that? We could never grow the entertainment side of things to the level of the football club, unless we were putting on daily events. Even then, it would be a stretch.
Are they fucking up the running of the club right now? 100%. Are they seeing it as a background annoyance? Fuck no. The club is where the money and therefore where the priority lies.
How can you say that with confidence and such certainty?
That is exactly what THFC in 2025 looks like.
A cynical person may draw the further conclusion that now neutrals, and away supporters, are turning up in Tottenham areas of the ground, on a regular basis, due to the perceived lack of ambition, Levy may have concluded he is no longer bothered at all about placating the traditinal THFC fan base in his money making schemes.
The football club are just responsible for paying Levy's mortgae on the megadome these days.
Because of the money I would imagine each side of their business would be worth without the other. Football club is worth so much more than an entertainment company. Obviously worth more together, but there’s no way an investment company ignores the biggest money in the portfolio.
As for caring about traditional fans, I don’t think he gives a flying shit and I’m sure he’d prefer there weren’t any. More money per ticket, more spent in the shop, more spent on food & beverage, more staying in the fancy new hotel, less hassle, no booing, no Levy Out. That’s what I would want if I ran an investment company.
I'm no expert but what it looks like to me is that ENIC are reducing the Spurs players wage bill so the money saved from the TV revenue can be used to pay the mortgage on the megadome.
This then allows Levy and ENIC to sell tickets, merch, food and drink, to football, NFL, boxing and music fans along with anything else the stadium hosts.
The theory was that the money from other events would support the football club.
It doesn't look like that at the moment to me. In fact; it looks the complete opposite of that.
I may have this completely wrong of course.
I will wait with a wry smile to be knocked into a cocked hat by the Levy enthusiasts who still want to defend this shit.
Ruthless & professional. Again you took one word
Ruthless , as Aberdeen said , getting shot of trash quicker not tolerating amateur ish balls ups like the Doherty farce as one example , professional as in getting the right team to run the club as a priority
Romero , contract up in 2027, Porro the same . The status quo will not keep them here , Romero is already moaning
Richarlison? Eh? The others have talent but no consistency, maybe that’s due to over playing , weak squad , maybe it’s mindset but let’s be honest, how many of them walk into a top team?
Our best performers of late have been teenagers
Anyways you seem fairly content with the situation
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Reading the news from the NFL about the Jaguars firing their general manager after he led the team downward following a modicum of recent success, and then the team was passed over by top head coach candidates because they won't work with that general manager, I couldn't help but think about our situation with Spurs - only the man responsible for all the carnage at Spurs can't be fired.
We're like Dallas... we have the worst sort of ownership you can have, that which is deeply involved in the day to day operations of the club but is incompetent at producing results. If you had a hands-on but capable owner you'd be fine, if you had an absentee owner at least they wouldn't be mucking things up. But we're of all fans most miserable in our situation and you can't get rid of an owner until Father Time or some extraordinary situation takes care of it.
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No but we can keep the ownership and replace the CEO (Levy). He might keep his role as owner, or perhaps he sells his stake but either way he stands down. This is far more likely than a 5Bn acquisition. I’s sure even Levy is having doubts and is fatigued
We appear to have passed a critical point where Tottenham Hotspur Football Club was the focus of the business. THFC still exists, of course, but the primary focus is commercial projects. The NFL is much more profitable than the Premier League and getting an NFL franchise (and being able to afford to buy in when the time comes) is probably now the focus. Spurs could eventually be the secondary tenant of the stadium. Spurs would never have had to build the stadium they did if their focus was on the football club.
Ruthless & professional. Again you took one word
Ruthless , as Aberdeen said , getting shot of trash quicker not tolerating amateur ish balls ups like the Doherty farce as one example , professional as in getting the right team to run the club as a priority
Romero , contract up in 2027, Porro the same . The status quo will not keep them here , Romero is already moaning
Richarlison? Eh? The others have talent but no consistency, maybe that’s due to over playing , weak squad , maybe it’s mindset but let’s be honest, how many of them walk into a top team?
Our best performers of late have been teenagers
Anyways you seem fairly content with the situation
OK ruthless and professional - not mutually exclusive - it was ruthless to get rid of Jose but professional - not so much.
Absolutely we struggle to be the club you and many others want us to be - I get it, I see where it comes from, but I also think there is nuance there our failings are not a binary for me.
That being said, I would as 99% of fans would, welcome new owners who can sort it - this, for me, would be best if it came from people who have run sports franchises before and understand what it actually takes to realise that balance - offering a cushy experience to the players without allowing them to coast for example.
Im not fairly content with our place in the league and performance of the team on the pitch but again, for me it doesnt scream of players and staff resting on their laurels.
Sacking the manager the last month without a good replacement would again seem ruthless but pretty unprofessional.
ENIC don't need Spurs supporters on board any more do they?
They can do what they want to us now the megadome has been built.
By the looks of it ENIC & Levy will sell tickets to anyone; for any event at the megadome and exploit them to the max.
If the supporters of the tennant football club don't like it; they don't have to come.
Tickets can be sold to anyone who wants to come.
The only concession I expect from ENIC going forward is a reduction in the ticket price once people stop paying top dollar for ENIC's jam tomorrow.
It's shit; but that's what it looks like to me.
If thus data is accurate the surprising thing for me is that there isn't a rapid increase following the stadium opening in 2019.
We appear to remain on the same upward trend that had initiated prior to the new stadium.
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But clubs that are having success right now didn't need to do that at all - Liverpool haven't - their players earning that have all been there for years - Chavs finished 12th and 6th respectively the last couple of years - Forest, Brighton, Bournemouth are seeing a very consistent season without spending that - This year, we will likely see the top 6 being a mixture of teams that are bringing in players on those wages, and teams that have not.
Also, every single club loves that profile of player - Arsneal have built a title challenging team on players that they brought in on wages under 100k and only added in players for more than that, and increased the wages of the lesser paid players once they were happy with the direction the manager was taking them.
SO its a balance for me, one we are not getting right but I don't think the answer is as simple as 'pay the wages'
Not all the teams who pay top wages achieve success. I agree with that.
However; the serious teams that achieve success do 'pay the wages'
ENIC and Levy charge premium prices but do not pay the wages to the very best players.
The chairman at THFC has more often than not been one of the best paid chairman in the Premier League and paid himself a bonus for delivering one League Cup in 24 years.
It's obvious and inexcusable.
How much longer can it be defended?
You have to get the best players though. Our problem is we don’t do that.
I don’t think they will choose us ahead of other big clubs. It doesn’t matter if you give everybody 300 grand a week, if you’ve got 24 Ndombellys or Antonys etc you’re still fucked.
Yeah , I’m not really a staunch Ange out but he has made some pretty ridiculous calls , he probably should t have been hired in the first place but the media wheels were set in motion to make it be some kind of swashbuckling adventure which is pretty embarrassing.
I do think that he hasn’t been truly back knowing the amount of games we knew we’d have especially knowing the intensity of his tactics , which again , I see as neglect
Well, wage bill does appear to be the clearest indicator of success. Or, at the very least, chance of success. There are obvious examples of poor recruitment like UTD, but repeat winners are paying their players accordingly.
‘Pay the wages’ is not the simple answer. But it’s a universal principle across all forms of human endeavour. Consider it a foundation rather than an answer.
And Daniel rather likes his own wage. He doesn’t appear to favour market prudence when it comes to his own renumeration.