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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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CJJ said:
Did we have that same accolodate between 2015 and 2017, yet people still moaned then and say the club wasted it?
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We chanced upon some exceptional talents at low cost, and squad depth was still limited.

This Woolwich team have been invested in continually to a point where even their bench players could walk into most starting 11s in the prem.

It's a totally different approach. One is partially reactive and the other is incredibly proactive and its painful to see.
 
Ange was asked on the overlap if he knew about budgets and he fudged the answer. So basically didn’t know before or during the job. I’m sorry but I ain’t fucking taking a job at spurs if I’m a manger without knowing how much I have to spend given our history and levy’s reputation. Are they all as thick as fuck or too greedy to care?
 
Kane you believe it said:
We chanced upon some exceptional talents at low cost, and squad depth was still limited.

This Woolwich team have been invested in continually to a point where even their bench players could walk into most starting 11s in the prem.

It's a totally different approach. One is partially reactive and the other is incredibly proactive and its painful to see.
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No - it's exactly the same.

This from August
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Stag said:
Im not defending ENIC here as they are a bunch of parasitic shit stains, but they did blow £52M on N'Dombele in the expectation/hope he'd be that prime player. Its very rare they pump a big fee into a single player of known quality though, you could argue Simons and Solanke fit into that category (and Richarlison I guess, still dont know why we signed him). Instead, its based on a lot of data and that *hope* word again. None of these names above were truly the finshed article : players other teams were desperate to sign.

The problem is we've spent loads of money on shit players, and too many of them. Quantity over quality. I always use Liverpool as the best example - they sold Coutinho for big dollar, then used the entire fee (and added more money to the pot) to buy VVD and Alisson, two world class players in positions they needed quality.

ENIC would take the money, add none to it, keep some of the fee in the bank, then spend whats left on 5 players who they hope come good who will all be young (for potential resale value) or absolute journeymen to fill squad holes rather than first team quality. That is why we never compete and never will with them - an INVESTMENT company - in charge. The football club is an investment, they have no desire to speculate for true success as long as the easy money rolls in every year from being in the PL.

Every manager who has been here under their tenure says the same thing - wanted "X" player but never got them and were given a "profile player" instead. Something similar, cheaper, not as good. From Arry wanting Tevez and getting Saha, Poch wanting anything and getting FUCK ALL for 18 months, to Conte wanting Bastoni (who admittedly didnt want to come) and Porro - instead getting Lenglet on a loan and Porro AFTER he'd been sacked, to Ange wanting Neto etc etc etc. The evidence is overwhelming, its a story that is repeated over and over again, they cant even deny it as a one off as its so regular. Obviously we shouldnt expect to get every player that a mananger wants - thats unrealistic, there is a lot of competition out there for the best players - but we should at least COMPETE. And we dont. As the 9th richest club in world football. ENIC in a nutshell.
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I think I get your point, to put it concisely ENIC don't want to invest in great players in their prime, because more than likely when their contract is nearing it's end their value will be reduced, the likes of a young Bale, Modric et al are a better investment to sign when their young, ENIC get a few years of their talent and in addition make a profit on their transfer out of the club.

My point is that Postecoglou, Frank, any manager who takes the job should know that, but they want a stab at a big Premier League club so they ignore ENIC's M.O, and now Postecoglou is complaining but he took the job, took the wages, and must have known how things work at Spurs. Otherwise he's a complete idiot but a rich idiot all the same.
 
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Phomesy said:
Odobert.



It's both. Doing the latter creates the former.

He wanted Guehi, Semenyo, Gallagher, and Neto.

He got Bergvall, Gray and Odobert. They're great for the future but they aren't going to push you up the league at age 18.

Postecoglou said that Enic/Levy always publicly demand Top 4 status but then never deliver Top 4 quality players. This isn't controversial, it's simple fact. Ask Conte.

This is why I've always maintained Postecoglou overachieved. That 5th place finish after losing Kane was miraculous. Getting to the semi-final of the League Cup and winning the Europa League was astonishing given the injury crisis. It came at a cost of 17th and he was rightly sacked - but the Trophy is in the cabinet FORVEVER.
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For what seems like umpteenth time, i've posted on this thread, anyone with a passing interest in our club run by ENIC would probably know how transfers are done here, if Postecoglou thought otherwise he's more stupid than I thought.

But on your specific point about the young players, vs the ones he wanted, in the summer there was a full squad, a squad good enough to be above 17th, the reason given so many times was injuries. and that's a valid point to argue, We didn't need those players he listed to be better than 17th, we just needed less injuries to the players we had.

If he thought for a moment THFC under ENIC were going to supply four upgraded players in the summer on top of the squad that at the time wasn't injured then he must have lost his marbles.

So he's really complaining that he himself is an idiot.
 
Steed_Train said:
Well we certainly act like a big club when it comes to extracting money from our fans and the stadium. As a result we also have the finances of a big club.

The board just choose not to be a big club when it comes to investing in football.

That disconnect is what is pissing everyone off. The supporters are football fans, we aren't popping the champagne when Tavistock break another revenue target
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I 100% agree, but I also 100% expect incoming managers to know that before they take the job.

Postecoglou took the job under those circumstances, got very well paid, now complains about those circumstances.
 
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Brian Fantana said:
Ange was asked on the overlap if he knew about budgets and he fudged the answer. So basically didn’t know before or during the job. I’m sorry but I ain’t fucking taking a job at spurs if I’m a manger without knowing how much I have to spend given our history and levy’s reputation. Are they all as thick as fuck or too greedy to care?
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Watched the interview today.

Ange was lucky to be given the opportunity to manage THFC.

He wasn't good enough to be given that chance and his record, in terms of league games Spurs lost, backs that up.

Ange got the chance because he was the best Levy could do by that stage.

It's been the same with Thomas Frank.

Levy's footprints are still all over the club and will be for some time.
 
So let me get this straight.

Frank has been circling the drain for months, we finally sack him (months after it should have happened) and the club still doesn't know whether they want an interim or permanent manager.

That fat clown at Forest sacked their manager at midnight and already has a replacement. When he is showing you up then can it get any worse of an indictment than that?!?
 
Brian Fantana said:
Ange was asked on the overlap if he knew about budgets and he fudged the answer. So basically didn’t know before or during the job. I’m sorry but I ain’t fucking taking a job at spurs if I’m a manger without knowing how much I have to spend given our history and levy’s reputation. Are they all as thick as fuck or too greedy to care?
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I think it’s widely accepted that Ange isn’t the sharpest knife in the box. He’s Australian, they’re not known for reading too many books.
 
Steed_Train said:
Well we certainly act like a big club when it comes to extracting money from our fans and the stadium. As a result we also have the finances of a big club.

The board just choose not to be a big club when it comes to investing in football.

That disconnect is what is pissing everyone off. The supporters are football fans, we aren't popping the champagne when Tavistock break another revenue target
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And I think what is becoming crystal clear this past couple of weeks is the extent to which "everyone" includes the players and coaches.

Leave the finances of it all to one side, the club's leadership doesn't have credibility within its own dressing room, simple as.

That's a really big problem.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Watched the interview today.

Ange was lucky to be given the opportunity to manage THFC.

He wasn't good enough to be given that chance and his record, in terms of league games Spurs lost, backs that up.

Ange got the chance because he was the best Levy could do by that stage.

It's been the same with Thomas Frank.

Levy's footprints are still all over the club and will be for some time.
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He was very well paid to manage a team which had it's funding decided by ENIC, he took the money and now he's complaining how ENIC funded/supplied transfers for incoming players.

He's talking as if he was oblivious to ENIC's M.O when he took that job.

It's so easy to see straight through him.

Maybe when offered the job he should have said no thanks, I disagree with your club's transfer activity, I'm on a hiding to nothing.
 
If these muppets are not going to sell up then FFS do what is needed.

- Get rid of Vinai and Lange.

- Appoint actual competent football people capable of making sound decisions and instilling an actual strategy, hiring suitable managers that fit that strategy and a higher standard of player recruitment.
 
McCOYS said:
For what seems like umpteenth time, i've posted on this thread, anyone with a passing interest in our club run by ENIC would probably know how transfers are done here, if Postecoglou thought otherwise he's more stupid than I thought.

But on your specific point about the young players, vs the ones he wanted, in the summer there was a full squad, a squad good enough to be above 17th, the reason given so many times was injuries. and that's a valid point to argue, We didn't need those players he listed to be better than 17th, we just needed less injuries to the players we had.

If he thought for a moment THFC under ENIC were going to supply four upgraded players in the summer on top of the squad that at the time wasn't injured then he must have lost his marbles.

So he's really complaining that he himself is an idiot.
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So no manager should ever expect to be given the players they need to achieve Top 4 "success" (if that's what you call success).

Then why on earth are you expecting any manager who comes to Spurs to achieve anything? Or are you simply happy for us to middle around the 5-9th mark winning fuck all every season?

Personally I prefer the 17th place and the Europa Cup final I attended.

I guess everyone else can spend their lives demanding we finish in the Top 4 but never expecting our managers to be given the players/squad they need to achieve that.

I know who I think the "idiots" are in the scenario. 🤷‍♂️
 
Seems like collicote or whatever his name is ( finance guy ) was instrumental in franks sacking


Maybe the empty seats , lack of people buying stuff at the stadium has had an effect 🤷‍♂️ also the financial implications of actually being relegated scared the shit out of the Lewis family
 
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