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Have you ever considered that both are shit?
I know it seems to blow your mind on a regular basis, but it is a thing. One being shit doesn't make the other not shit.
One was capable in the Europa League, one in the Champions League, yet still both shit and out of their depth in the Premier League
A Bit Naive to say Ange won us a trophy. VDV and other players have come out and said they told him to change tactics. And if one looks at all our games, in the Europa, we played Conté Ball.
Ange wasn't a Hero. He kissed Levy's Butt as much as Frank kissed ENIC's butt. The Only managers that open challenged the two, were Mourinho and Conté. That's why Mourinho was sacked before a final and Conté was given the boot.
That 250 million you speak about wasn't the manager spending it was ENIC's.
Wake up. Ange was no Messiah. He was just lucky were had easy teams to play in a second rate Cup Competition.
But 400m Ange spent was on him and not ENIC.
I can't be bothered to debate Franatics... I know who is the better manager and it isn't Frank.
Never considered because I know both are shit but your fake pivoting on Frank I'm not accepting. You spent months telling us that a half competent manager would have us flying up the table and Frank was the second coming... I'm just pointing out Ange is shit but Frank is a far worse type of shit.
At least they secured some more boxing at the stadium
No I didn't. I wasn't a complete melt wishing failure on a team, being hypocritical about the bullshit people used to defend Postecoglou but completely ignored for the new manager.
Supporting a team isn't about saying "I told you so" or sneering at other fans - it is about backing someone until you feel like the best thing is a change. I think a lot of people gave him as much of a benefit of doubt as the previous manager, but there comes a point where you recognise that they aren't capable of it.
What you're doing is trying to pin some aggressive opinion on people because you seem to be incapable of any considered appraisal, like there's only 2 possible outcomes to any one scenario
ENIC have never made any appointments... They have all been Levy.
The next manager will be down to Lewis children.
What a load of waffle...you seem to have selective memory...
I’m not sure the protests have had much of an affect but it does look like people not spending money on game day has
Doesn't change history.
Levy was in charge and called the shots.
And he got sacked for awful number of bad choices leading up to CL final and since.
All levy had to do was getting an attacking minded manager after Poch, one big enough to carry the team forward.
Instead he went full ego, got a defensive boring manager in Mourinho, who's style of football didn't suit us...
Flip flop styles and sent the club into a downward spiral...
The rest is history.
I have been angry about ENIC & Levy for 20 years.
However;
What has taken me by surprise is the level of current anger directed towards the people who have literally inherited this situation, from Joe Lewis, by virtue of being related to him.
It seems absolutely obvious that Spurs, over the last 25 years, has been dominated by what Daniel Levy wanted to do while Joe Lewis was happy to be passive, let Levy and his mates get on with it, and pick up a dividend every now and then.
It also seems obvious that from the minute that situation changed, regarding Joe Lewis and his (non) involvement in Spurs, his family have questioned what Levy has been doing, looked into it, via Charrington, and then sacked Daniel Levy.
This version of ENIC are not going to get the time and concessions from the supporters that Daniel Levy did, by the looks of it. That may not be a bad thing. Pressure needs to be applied to whoever runs the club to improve things by removing Levy's M.O. forever.
What a shame the level of supporter anger, currently being directed towards the Lewis family, was not directed towards Daniel Levy when he was selling off all of Spurs best players and often replacing them with utter crap.
Because they have no idea what they're doing, and a club this size shouldn't be their little pet project. Sell up, buy a Wolves type team if you feel you have to.
When the people at the top don't have a clue, and aren't ambitious, then it's not going to work.
I'd have a lot more respect for them if they say this summer that it was too big a task and they feel like selling the club, at least a large enough portion that they no longer have full control of the club, would be best for everyone.
I don’t take Ange as a liar at all
Here's the thing.
Sacking Levy was the 100% right thing to do.
However; after 25 years of Daniel Levy's micro management, of every detail, of every aspect, of everything that has gone on at THFC; how could they sack Levy and remove all of his allies, all of his methods and his complete operation in 6 months?
This is the work of a quarter of a century.
Removing Levy was only the start of the long and painful journey we are now on.
This is the painful re-build.
The current THFC squad, staff, administration and all the bells and whistles behind the scenes are in Daniel Levy's image.
Somehow we now have Levy nostalgia putting in a shamless appearance.
Levy's mess will take a very long time to unravel. Longer than six months. Whoever is running the club.
In my opinion.
I get the scale of the job. I don't think that they fully understood it. Realistically, it doesn't matter that Levy's gone if they're not going to actually behave like a big club, which of this January window, and the Frank situation, suggests they won't. Then it doesn't really matter. We need someone who is going to come in, change the dynamic from the ground up with an ethos on winning.
You're being hoodwinked into giving ENIC good grace, but it'll be exact same thing as before.
OK.
Let me put this another way.
I remember what happened when we got saddled with ENIC and Levy in the first place.
Sugar had run out of road but at the point that Sugar sold up to ENIC an entity know as TAG, Tottenham Action Group, led by a character called Mark Jacob, took it upon themselves to protest at matches and generally chase Sugar out of the club.
I believe a book called; What's The Story; Boring Glory, documents the period and was written by Mark Jacob.
Read about this guy and what he went on to do after he delivered ENIC up to THFC;
Exclusive: Portsmouth takeover power-broker is a massive Tottenham fan
Wheeler dealer Mark Jacob will sit on the new board
www.mirror.co.uk
Portsmouth continue to play out their tragedy as farce | David Conn
David Conn: Portsmouth's employment of a fraudster in Daniel Azougy is symptomatic of a club lurching towards disaster
www.theguardian.com
Ex Portsmouth director and two others guilty of misconduct
THREE solicitors and top London law firm Fuglers were fined a total of £80,000 and ordered to pay £60,000 costs today for professional misconduct involving Portsmouth Football Club.
www.express.co.uk
Sacked Graham to sue Spurs
George Graham has threatened to take legal action against Tottenham following what he called the club's "bizarre and inexplicable" decision to sack him for an alleged breach of contract.
www.theguardian.com
We need to be very careful as supporters of Spurs at the moment.
Chasing the Lewis family out at the current time may seem like the right thing to do but I wouldn't be so sure of that.
ENIC under the Lewis family may prove to be more of the same but in respect of any sale of the club; we need to make sure we get the right owners next time.
I too remember that. ENIC are in the same position that Sugar is in when he sold the team. He didn't cling onto it as long as he could. He was responsible and stepped away. That's what they need to do. While they're in charge, nothing will ever change.
Vinai and Lange should be gone. The Lewis kids wanted the manager gone 4 months ago we're hearing, but gave all football operations power to tweedle dumb and tweedle dee.
With all due respect, people that spending upwards in world record sales of football clubs now aren't going to do it to be miserable. It's a bit dick measuring contest among elites, and the best way to grow the revenue is by sporting success. Whoever comes in next is going to want to turn them into the club they should be. ENIC won't be that, so it's time to step aside.
Vinai and Lange should be gone. The Lewis kids wanted the manager gone 4 months ago we're hearing, but gave all football operations power to tweedle dumb and tweedle dee.
With all due respect, people that spending upwards in world record sales of football clubs now aren't going to do it to be miserable. It's a bit dick measuring contest among elites, and the best way to grow the revenue is by sporting success. Whoever comes in next is going to want to turn them into the club they should be. ENIC won't be that, so it's time to step aside.
I don't think that is correct. Way back when, when I was first on here, LVG was apparently at Levy's house because he was his preferred candidate, but at the time lots of people were saying Joe pushed for Pochettino or De Boer or one of those combinations.
I don't believe for a second that Levy had autonomy, or he wouldn't have gone to Joe's house every summer cap in hand.
People who have total autonomy tend not to get sacked, either.