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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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Teach said:
I disagree on the last statement. If we stay up, expect Lange and Vinai to stay and the owners to continue their no investment strategy, and we will likely be fighting relegation again.

Relegation could enable a clear out from top to bottom and radical change. Short term pain, long term gain. I hate our current doom cycle and it must change. If we stay up, how will it differ?

I firmly believe we are resilient enough to take a one off £200M hit and it can be offset by player sales/loans ending.

Steam rollering the champo is the momentum we need to bounce back
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Problem with that is that we’d have to sell & get players in who are willing to play in the championship. There no guarantee of instant promotion , & if we did go up we have half a squad of players that will probably struggle in the prem signed to 3 or 4 year contracts
 
Steed_Train said:
It's just made me realise how disassociated with my club that ENIC have made me.

I walk in the stadium and feel like i'm in ENIC's house rather than Tottenham's these days. Even the players seem like employees.

Can't remember ever being so disinterested
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Levy has always described them as 'custodians' of the club and it couldn't be further from the truth.

Custodians of their own financial interests, that would be more appropriate
 
Timberwolf said:
Even if we stay up heads will roll. ENIC are a clownshow but I suspect at least one of Vinai and Lange will be given the boot if we survive - presumably Lange if it's just one of 'em.

I think survival and a reset with a new DoF and (presumably) Poch would be much better for us in the long run than relegation. With relegation we're instantly forced to sell a few of our more talented players and hurt very badly financially. Villa came back stronger after relegation but that was after 3 years of toil and new ownership coming in - there's no guarantee we'd bounce back stronger right away and I don't think ENIC would sell from a position of weakness.
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I agree. I also think if you're ENIC you might be sitting there starting to ask yourself how real your chances are of maximising the value from on-pitch performance are. I think a scenario that could play out is:

- we stay up (though I feel it's about 30% chance we won't right now)
- Poch this summer
- Some more investment, but not big bucks
- A couple of seasons improving and becoming a top 8 club
- ENIC sell

That would give them time to ensure there was no haircut to fair valuation for a Top 6 club. Albeit they'd fall short of max-ing out, but might in the next couple of years resign themselves to the fact that they will never discover the formula for success/ that football valuations aren't about to spike / that it would take too much capital at risk to become Man City level etc etc.

I hope.
 
Furball man said:
Problem with that is that we’d have to sell & get players in who are willing to play in the championship. There no guarantee of instant promotion , & if we did go up we have half a squad of players that will probably struggle in the prem signed to 3 or 4 year contracts
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Up to a point. The parachute payments and our financial position mean we could keep a decent number of the existing squad, but sell some highly paid players for good money.

I'd want to keep Danso, Palhinha, Bergvall, Gray, Gallagher, Solanke and Kudus. Could sell most of the others.
 
manmountainbutters said:
Up to a point. The parachute payments and our financial position mean we could keep a decent number of the existing squad, but sell some highly paid players for good money.

I'd want to keep Danso, Palhinha, Bergvall, Gray, Gallagher, Solanke and Kudus. Could sell most of the others.
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It doesn’t work like that in the Championship though & losses through TV rights , sponsors, our debt of players we already have means we’d struggle to keep the majority

In the Championship the entire leagues wages , 24 clubs ) is £440m ours is £265m roughly . You have to comply to championship regulations and not having a yearly debt above £15m . The amount of money Spurs will lose through relegation will cripple us

It’s shit but that’s how it is. I'm sure many of the players you mentioned would want out & I’d guarantee that Gallagher would have some sort of release clause as to where we were when he joined
 
Furball man said:
It doesn’t work like that in the Championship though & losses through TV rights , sponsors, our debt of players we already have means we’d struggle to keep the majority

In the Championship the entire leagues wages , 24 clubs ) is £440m ours is £265m roughly . You have to comply to championship regulations and not having a yearly debt above £15m . The amount of money Spurs will lose through relegation will cripple us

It’s shit but that’s how it is. I'm sure many of the players you mentioned would want out & I’d guarantee that Gallagher would have some sort of release clause as to where we were when he joined
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I don't think you'd need to keep the majority. In fact most of the highly paid ones could be sold. There are a few however that I think you'd want to keep to try and get back up. And from what I've seen that is likely achievable. The fact we'd be a very big net seller of players (in £ terms) would help us comply.

I don't think you or anyone here can guarantee what players have in their contracts tbf. Relegation clauses are actually still quite unusual (I know this for a fact from an agent who is very active with Spurs among others), though I take the point you're getting at, that if anyone has in our squad, it will CG given when he signed.
 
spursmalc said:
There is no Reason that I would accept relegation as good. I would consider it a disaster and cannot understand it being acceptable to any Spurs fan.
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I don't want Spurs to be relegated but; I accepted months ago that this current team is probably the worst I have ever seen in 49 years of following Spurs.

I wouldn't be bothered if any player in this squad was sold.

I've never felt like that about Spurs in my life.

That informs me that something unusual has occurred at THFC.

Levy has slowly strangled the life out of the momentum built under Jol, Redknapp and Poch.

Levy lost the ability to make good decisions regarding the football team after he put Paul Mitchell on gardening leave.

That was a decade ago.

Every recruitment decision he subsequently took was poor and he was often reacting to his own errors.

Joe Lewis and / or ENIC should have intervened at the point when Levy was considering sacking Poch.

Levy paid himself an absolute fortune for presiding over the shambles Spurs have been reduced too.

It seems he now wants a billion quid to fuck off completely.

The team is relegation standard.

If Spurs stay up, by some miracle, the senior players in this squad are now tainted so badly it seems to me they have no future here either way.

I do not wish to see a team containing Vicario, Porro, Richarlison or Romero, struggling at pretending to be Premier League standard, beyond the end of this season.
 
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manmountainbutters said:
I don't think you'd need to keep the majority. In fact most of the highly paid ones could be sold. There are a few however that I think you'd want to keep to try and get back up. And from what I've seen that is likely achievable. The fact we'd be a very big net seller of players (in £ terms) would help us comply.

I don't think you or anyone here can guarantee what players have in their contracts tbf. Relegation clauses are actually still quite unusual (I know this for a fact from an agent who is very active with Spurs among others), though I take the point you're getting at, that if anyone has in our squad, it will CG given when he signed.
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I don’t think we’d have spoken to any player at the club about potential relegation, clauses do you ?

“ oh btw Kudus , can we add a relegation wage reduction to your contract for when you join this great club with real goals and plans for success “ 😂

Gallagher probably , the others not a chance
 
Furball man said:
I don’t think we’d have spoken to any player at the club about potential relegation, clauses do you ?

“ oh btw Kudus , can we add a relegation wage reduction to your contract for when you join this great club with real goals and plans for success “ 😂

Gallagher probably , the others not a chance
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I agree the others no chance. Tho Levy was hugely favourable to relegation clauses (see his Neville interview). No doubt anticipating current events!
 
Furball man said:
Problem with that is that we’d have to sell & get players in who are willing to play in the championship. There no guarantee of instant promotion , & if we did go up we have half a squad of players that will probably struggle in the prem signed to 3 or 4 year contracts
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We would still have a quality squad even without that Italian tosser, Romero, Richy, VDV, Porro, Muani and Pauli.

Devine and the Croat back, possibly Moore too the a few up and coming youngsters.
 
Ulrika-ka-ka-ka said:
You are a different person to your father, not a clone. You do things differently. Why do the Lewis kids not get the same benefit? Joe Lewis is out, the shares are in a trust which Joe Lewis has no influence over.
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They've had three years to "do something differently". Conte was still here when Joe Lewis ceased being a person with significant control. If they really wanted a change of direction there was no better time than when we had an actual top class manager at the helm and had some existing world class players to build around.

He's either still in control, and that change was in name only, or they're continuing to operate exactly how the old man did.

Either way, there's no "new owners".
 
manmountainbutters said:
Up to a point. The parachute payments and our financial position mean we could keep a decent number of the existing squad, but sell some highly paid players for good money.

I'd want to keep Danso, Palhinha, Bergvall, Gray, Gallagher, Solanke and Kudus. Could sell most of the others.
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Every single player you've listed there will be jumping ship at the first opportunity if we go down.
 
Hotspurpaul said:
? Enic are still the owners....there's no new owners....👍
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It’s pretty clear isn’t it , it’s always been ENIC injecting cash ( on the rare occasion) into the club . It wasn’t Levy . But that said Daddy Daniel was such a micro manager that it’s like trying to unravel cables behind your TV to get to what has to be done . Enic seem to have taken the approach of trying to do that while blindfolded & wearing boxing gloves
 
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