Careful what you wish for. Levy went and look at the sh!t now.
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Careful what you wish for. Levy went and look at the sh!t now.
The 'ten years prior to Poch' saw us improve from a lower mid table side to best of the rest & then eventually breaking in to the top four, granted sometimes it was one step backwards before taking two forward but things aren't always linear so I'm not sure what there is to forgive from that period without cherry picking specific instances out of the bigger picture and ultimately the years from them taking over to Poch was a period of growth, on and off the field.
The years since the stadium move have been the reverse - an extended period of time where we have been taking two or more steps backward for every step forward. CL final to slumping out of Europe, getting back in the top 4 only to throw it away and now winning the Europa League to a likely relegation.
I’m talking about where we currently are as a club and the fact that levy’s processes have assembled a team that’s going to get Tottenham Hotspur relegated.
Whatever happened from 2001 to that point is largely irrelevant to the most prescient point of debate regarding Levy which is that we are going down. In reflection we’ll look fondly at that point, but the last 8 years will have soured it immensely and we’ll always look at the legacy that leaves.
Regarding the “protecting the kids” kind of quoting, nobody is doing that. It’s just not an argument I see from anyone on here. Everyone agrees ENIC and the Lewises are shit.
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Vinai is Levy’s revenge. Same goes for a season with no penalties.
Never mess with the establishment
Yes I'm well aware of our history , I've lived through 60yrs of it - the shoestring Alan Sugar years . Throughout ENICs tenure I struggle to think of when we last bought a world class marquee signing . A player that made me sit up and think "YES now we mean business" . The last minute deal of 2010 when we bought Van De Vaart is the most recent I can think of when Harry Redknapp was at the club and we were fortunate because a deal had collapsed making VDV available - before that Klinsman in 1995 but that was the Sugar years , the problem is we haven't set the league alight with any signings . It's an endemic situation , we don't buy world class players , we buy youngsters and turn them into world class players and sell them for a big profit - Modric , Bale , Carrick , Walker the list goes on . The problem with that buying and selling pattern is you never seem to have a full squad of top talent . There's always youngsters trying to find their way into the team . If the players we had were to be given an incentive to stay and play it would be that we were serious about challenging for honours . But they know we're a selling club and we don't take it serious enough so they ask to leave . We're too cheap . We charge the second highest season tickets prices and our reward is second rate football . I'm sick and tired of it . Don't get me wrong - There's been some happy times along the way - The league cup in 2008 , the CL final and Europa League last season but it's been mostly barren .
I've been following us all over the country for years - Driving there full of optimism and coming home dejected - and I can assure you that travelling home at 10pm and getting home at 1-2am because they've shut loads of motorways is no fun . So when the team can't focus for 95mins it does test your loyalty . The reason they underperform is because the club isn't run properly from the top down . I want new owners with ambition , but I can't see that happening . ENIC know what a good thing is when they see it .
You don't need to wave your supporting credentials at me mate I'm more than aware of the tribulations of following Spurs over land and sea
Would have buying a few more marquee signings made our growth on the pitch any more palatable? I don't think so - we had several good/great teams, doesn't matter how they were built only that they were - ironically it's our big ticket signings that have been the most disappointing, step forward Mr Simons. This is what I meant wrt cherry picking the bad out of the bigger picture.
Fucking hell
I didn't mean to come across as "look at me I'm a big supporter" . Sorry if it came across like that .You don't need to wave your supporting credentials at me mate I'm more than aware of the tribulations of following Spurs over land and sea
Would have buying a few more marquee signings made our growth on the pitch any more palatable? I don't think so - we had several good/great teams, doesn't matter how they were built only that they were - ironically it's our big ticket signings that have been the most disappointing, step forward Mr Simons. This is what I meant wrt cherry picking the bad out of the bigger picture.
I think if we had bought more statement signings then our players that were being headhunted might have seen the possibilities of some trophies and stayed - that's my point . Harry Kane might have stayed if he thought we had a chance of winning trophies - he stayed with us 10yrs and we failed .
Yes Sanchez and especially Ndombele stuck in my craw . Soldado , Rebrov , Postiga , Ghally and Vinicious all wastes of space players .
A) Complete ineptitude & Stupidity
B) internal sabotage from a Gooner...
C) Greed+Greed+Greed with no interest in the "F" in THFC
D) a combination of A+B+C
Not even sure if that is in jest but it's kind of true
You only change on certainty and never on thought or mere expectation.
It's unprovable but we aren't at this pount with Levy at the helm is my contention. No chance at all.
Levy has been dragging us down a shitty downward spiral for years.
This is the man who went one and a half years without signing a single fucking player while at the same time making himself the highest paid CEO in European football.
He somehow managed to drag us from 4th to 17th in the space of 6 years since that disgusting debacle... and his final season saw us lose more league matches in a season than each of the previous 100 seasons.
So you're wrong, pal. We actually ARE at the point the odious little cunt left us.
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We would be.....he brought Vinai, Lange and Paratici to the club, he was involved in signing off on all the players currently at the club, last season we finished 17th with 38 pts.
His football decisions are the reason we are where we are.
Posters need to note. If it's about players that are supposedly good but performing poorly, silence.
If we win, silence. When we are playing badly or losing, it's pain and delight, mixed up as care and concern. It's a mirage.
One-trick ponies who say the same sh!t time and time again.
I'm completely open to its direction and apathetic to its crap.
If we win, silence. When we are playing badly or losing, it's pain and delight, mixed up as care and concern. It's a mirage.
One-trick ponies who say the same sh!t time and time again.
I'm completely open to its direction and apathetic to its crap.
I don't think we would at all.
You are being led by the Pied-Piper of mischief and deceit and if not, then hmmmmm....
Levy might not have been all people wanted but he was also a man who I don't think would have allowed Frank so much time and thus, this mess would have most likely not been allowed to take hold.
But I go back to my main point. This squad of players, under half decent management has no right to be where we are. Just look at the summer transfer window commrnts to see that most are now posting as a result of what's happened and who were saying something quite different at the time.
This is what managerial incompetence and wrong suit bring, which goes way beyond just coaching a team.
I agree that Frank was the wrong manager but remember Levy played a major role in bringing him here. How do you know that he would have made the right decision in finding Franks replacement? If it's true that Paratici wanted Tudor to replace Frank in Nov/Dec then we know that would have happened with Levy here because he trusted Paratici so much.
In 25 years as chairman he only got two managerial appointments right. Redknapp and Poch. Plus one DoF right , Arnesen.......Levy is an imbecile when it comes to football
Mate...As far as this Notabadsquad dude is concerned every manager for the last 25 years has been the wrong manager....But the CEO who appointed them all was the right CEO.
Someone make it make sense
I think you can include Jol too but think about how those appointments came about...
Jol only got the job cos he was an assistant.
'Arry was a desperation appointment after Ramos shat the bed
And Poch was second choice after Van Gaal went to United
Levy's first instinct on managers was always bad - the only time he got it right was purely by luck or cos he hand was forced.
Some of the other appointments might've worked had Levy actually backed them, mind. A lot of managers got absolutely screwed by Levy's approach in the market and a failure to back them. I think Ramos, AVB, Jose, Conte and Ange all got shafted by Levy to varying degrees.
Getting Jose and Conte was a coup and, very unusual for such high-profile coaches to join a team that was not successful.
Jose couldn't get a tune out of Ndombelly, Dele Alli and Lo Celso - and the club had no desire to sell them. With no backup strikers and Eriksen on the way out, it was the Kane and Son team.
Conte had a very good squad. The 2nd season should have seen Spurs challenging for the title. Injury to Hugo and an inability to keep any of the CB's consistently fit was the downfall. The midfield was also lacking, with Bissouma and Bentencur again rarely fit.
I think Jose and Conte basically joined because of Kane and Son. And of course the huge pay-packet - managerial salaries are the one thing we've never skimped on.
The squad Conte took over was pretty shocking outside of Kane, Son and Romero and, while we strengthened significantly, I don't think many of the signings at all were guys he truly wanted. Perisic was obviously a Conte buy and I think he was OK with the Juve guys coming in, but the rest of the signings seemed like classic Levy buys - Richarlison cos of Everton's financial issues, Bissouma cheap cos of his court case, Spence a youth punt Conte actively hated ("he was a club signing").
I get that managers have to compromise, but if you bring in a guy like Conte it's a short term punt to win the league and you need to give him the tools to do it. We never did that IMO and that's why he blew up and stormed out. And why we're basically the one club where he never won the league.
It was similar with Jose - he got signings like Reguilon, Bergwijn and Doherty and we expected him to get a tune out of guys that are clearly uninterested like Ndombele then we wondered why he didn't win silverware or challenge with Dier and Sanchez as his CBs. He actually did an OK job given the tools at his disposal.
My point is - if you're gonna go for big name 'win now' managers you need to put your money where your mouth is. And if you're gonna go for project managers like Ange, AVB, Poch, Ramos you need to not undermine them in the market (selling Kane and Berba in the same window, not buying Moutinho when the deal was on a plate, 3 children and Solanke for Ange in a 60 game season after selling 6 senior players, self-imposed transfer ban).
Levy basically found a way to undermine every single manager we ever had during his tenure.
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