Europa Conference League 2021/22; potential QR2 vs Honka Espoo

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Trotter said:
If everything went by seeding through all the competitions (which obviously it won't), but here would be the pots for each competition, to give idea about the strength of each competition when we get to group stages.

Champs League
Pot 1Manchester CityManchester UnitedAtletico MadridBayern Munich
LilleInter MilanSporting LisbonZenit St Petersburg
Pot 2Real MadridBarcelonaJuventusParis St Germain
LiverpoolSevillaChelseaBorussia Dortmund
Pot 3PortoAjaxShakhtar DonetskRB Leipzig
RB SalzburgBenficaAtalantaBesiktas
Pot 4Dynamo KievSlavia PragueOlympiakosMonaco
Club BruggeYoung BoysAC MilanWolfsburg
Europa League
Pot 1LyonNapoliBayer LeverkusenDinamo Zagreb
LazioCopenhagenSporting BragaCeltic
Pot 2Eintracht FrankfurtRed Star BelgradeLeicester CityRangers
Lokomotiv MoscowGenkPSV EindhovenLudogorets Razgrad
Pot 3MarseilleAZ AlkmaarWest Ham UnitedReal Sociedad
Real BetisFenerbahceMalmoSpartak Moscow
Pot 4Sparta PragueRapid ViennaCFR ClujLegia Warsaw
MidtjyllandGalatasarayOmonia NicosiaFerencvaros
Conference League
Pot 1RomaTottenham HotspurVillarrealBasel
GentAnderlechtLASK LinzFeyenoord
Pot 2Maccabbi Tel AvivQarabagSteauaPAOK Salonika
AEK AthensRennesPartizan BelgradeZorya Luhansk
Pot 3Union BerlinSheriff TirsapolAntwerpF91 Dudelange
Pacos de FerreiraVitesse ArnhemSturm GrazSt. Johnstone
Pot 4RandersBodo/GlimtShkendijaKairat
Neftci BakuMuraShakytor SoligorskSlovan Bratislava


So last 16 of Conference League if everything went to seedings would be the Pot 1 Conference teams listed above against the Pot 3 Europa League teams listed above, as the 3rd ranked Europa League teams would all be rated higher than 2nd tier Conference league.
Means winning the group would be important to avoid extra 2 matches.

But it would start to get serious in last 16 with based on coefficeients

Roma, Tottenham, West Ham, Villarreal, Real Betis, Real Sociedad, Basel, Marseille, Feyenoord, AZ Alkmaar, Fenerbahce, Spartak Moscow, Malmo, Linz, Gent, Anderlecht
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Fair play to you for taking the time to work this out, but isn't this sample line up missing the teams who drop out of the Champions League and Europa League? This season Galatasaray, Sporting Lisbon, Wolfsburg, and very nearly AC Milan (who won their Europa play-off 9-8 on pens) would all have dropped into the Conference League had it existed. On top of that the 8 teams dropping in to the knockout stages will be pretty strong.

There's one thing I really like about the format (the Europa is same). That is that the group winners get a bye past the next round - real incentive to finish top once top-two is guaranteed.
 
FOK said:
Trophy looks nice.

the final would potentially be Hugo's last game. I'd like to see him lift it.

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Nice of him to get it ready for us.

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TopClaessen said:
Fair play to you for taking the time to work this out, but isn't this sample line up missing the teams who drop out of the Champions League and Europa League? This season Galatasaray, Sporting Lisbon, Wolfsburg, and very nearly AC Milan (who won their Europa play-off 9-8 on pens) would all have dropped into the Conference League had it existed. On top of that the 8 teams dropping in to the knockout stages will be pretty strong.

There's one thing I really like about the format (the Europa is same). That is that the group winners get a bye past the next round - real incentive to finish top once top-two is guaranteed.
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No, already includes drop downs from those.
Not really many qualifying games in the Europa League now, most of the qualifying from EL now the qualifying for ECL instead.
Teams you are all talking about, for example AC Milan would have started in ECL this year like us (they were the lowest rated team from their country in Europa League, like us) if ECL had existed which is why they had the qualifying games. Roma instead (listed above) is the equivalent of AC Milan from last season (the 7th best from the country), same with Wolfsburg (see Union Berlin), Granada (see Villarreal who were in Europa League qualifying.
Sporting would not have been in this years ECL if it had existed, they would still have been in the Europa.

Just the better drop down teams from CL will be in Europa, we get the drop down teams from early CL rounds, which in effect are the Pot4 ECL teams that were listed
 
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What's especially stupid about the way UEFA has set this up is that a club like Benfica or Monaco could drop out of the Champions League in the qualifying stages, end up in the Europa League group stages, finish third, and drop into the Conference League knockout stages.

The movement between competitions is misguided.
 
FightingIllini said:
What's especially stupid about the way UEFA has set this up is that a club like Benfica or Monaco could drop out of the Champions League in the qualifying stages, end up in the Europa League group stages, finish third, and drop into the Conference League knockout stages.

The movement between competitions is misguided.
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The only bit you've omitted is the next bit - where they knock us out.
 
FightingIllini said:
What's especially stupid about the way UEFA has set this up is that a club like Benfica or Monaco could drop out of the Champions League in the qualifying stages, end up in the Europa League group stages, finish third, and drop into the Conference League knockout stages.

The movement between competitions is misguided.
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We should be able to completely smash any club who could not finish in the top 2 in the Europa group stage.
The only 2 teams that realistically could beat us in this tournament (if we took it seriously) is Jose's Roma and Emery's Villarreal.
 
FightingIllini said:
What's especially stupid about the way UEFA has set this up is that a club like Benfica or Monaco could drop out of the Champions League in the qualifying stages, end up in the Europa League group stages, finish third, and drop into the Conference League knockout stages.

The movement between competitions is misguided.
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Whilst technically you are right.
But if Benfica or Monaco lose firstly to one of Sparta Prague, PSV, Spartak Moscow or Genk over 2 legs then finish third in their Europa League Group, should we really be too worried about their quality ?

Anyway Monaco will be in Champions League Group Stage automatically if Manchester Utd beat Villarreal on Wednesday.
 
Trotter said:
Whilst technically you are right.
But if Benfica or Monaco lose firstly to one of Sparta Prague, PSV, Spartak Moscow or Genk over 2 legs then finish third in their Europa League Group, should we really be too worried out their quality ?
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Oh I was just picking a couple of teams at random who could hypothetically do that. It's more likely to be a lesser-known name of course.

But just on principle, you should only be in one of the UEFA competitions in any given season. They do this trap door stuff to try and get more games for lesser-league teams, but you can do that without making this absurd Byzantine labyrinth of a structure.
 
FightingIllini said:
Oh I was just picking a couple of teams at random who could hypothetically do that. It's more likely to be a lesser-known name of course.

But just on principle, you should only be in one of the UEFA competitions in any given season. They do this trap door stuff to try and get more games for lesser-league teams, but you can do that without making this absurd Byzantine labyrinth of a structure.
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There definitely will be teams that play in all 3 competitions.

League champions from some of the lesser countries. start in early qualifying of CL, will drop into 3rd Rd or Play off qualifying of Europa, losers of which will go into Group Stage of ECL. But they will basically be the Pot 4 ECL teams.
I suppose the reasoning is to find a realistic level for teams of all countries, whilst not exclude them from the top competition that they will have earned through winning their league.
 
Trotter said:
I suppose the reasoning is to find a realistic level for teams of all countries, whilst not exclude them from the top competition that they will have earned through winning their league.
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The tradeoff they are mishandling is giving minnow countries teams the opportunity to play against ANY rich league team at ANY stage of ANY of the competitions, versus making clubs from non-elite leagues a more meaningful part of the competitions as a whole.

Push significantly more of the TV money down the food chain, make the competitions more open to upstart challenges and let the lesser sides make an impact on merit.

The ESL sides get free entry into a group stage carefully built and seeded to virtually guarantee their passage into the knockout rounds, and collect the lions share of the TV riches for the privilege. And they they act like their dominance is the natural order of things. Balderdash, their dominance is a choice that UEFA continues to make over and over again, leading to what is certainly their ruin as an organization. Stop doing it!
 
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To Dare Is To Do. said:
We should be able to completely smash any club who could not finish in the top 2 in the Europa group stage.
The only 2 teams that realistically could beat us in this tournament (if we took it seriously) is Jose's Roma and Emery's Villarreal.
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Like we smashed Royal Antwerp away? Not as if we played the kids.
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If we do not take this serious then there is no point playing. I am as disappointed as others we are in this 3rd rate competition but whilst we do not need to start our first 11 until the knock outs, we cannot just play the kids.
 
MikeTHFC said:
Not sure if it's already been mentioned and by no means saying it's a great achievement to have qualified for this, however it may be more important in the long run than we think.

Teams get pretty much the same coefficient points for wins/draws in the conference league as the UCL and UEL. In 3 years there will be CL places up for grabs for teams outside the top 4 with high UEFA coefficients, or even seedings to think about in future group draws should we be in the competition. A season with zero returns would be pretty damaging as these count against you for 5 years.

As I said, not trying trying to justify it as a major achievement, but finishing above Woolwich, an opportunity for some of the youngsters next season, better in terms of revenue and coefficient points and a chance to watch Spurs play more often was the best of a bad set of outcomes on offer yesterday for me.
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Very good point. I completely disagree with the Champions League safety net as it's really a concession towards a Super League to protect Real Madrid, Barcelona etc when they have a bad season. But if it's happening then we are definitely a club who might benefit.

From a ticketing point of view. These games won't sell out and will be an opportunity for those who want to climb the loyalty point table to do so.
 
One thing with being the first to do something is that no one can ever take that away from you. There is a new European competition next season and we are a contestant. Let us try everything we can to win it. :thumbup:
 
Mr. Voldemort said:
One thing with being the first to do something is that no one can ever take that away from you. There is a new European competition next season and we are a contestant. Let us try everything we can to win it. :thumbup:
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Yep.

We were first UEFA Cup Winners, would be nice to be the first winners of this competition, 50 years later
 
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