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Isn’t that why viewers are jumping ship? Who tunes in to watch a bad team get blown out?
I think its over saturation in general. With the proliferation of cable TV and local sports networks basically every game in every sport is being televised. The NBA is on for hours every night of the week basically. Even if all the games were nailbiters between the Lakers and the Celtics, after a while you're just tired of watching the same program.

Less is more - only a small percentage of even Jordan's games were ever televised, and look at how he compares in the global view to LeBron whose career we've seen every minute of since he was 16.
 
I think its over saturation in general. With the proliferation of cable TV and local sports networks basically every game in every sport is being televised. The NBA is on for hours every night of the week basically. Even if all the games were nailbiters between the Lakers and the Celtics, after a while you're just tired of watching the same program.

Less is more - only a small percentage of even Jordan's games were ever televised, and look at how he compares in the global view to LeBron whose career we've seen every minute of since he was 16.
So apply that to the super league. The 4th time Juventus play Chelsea in a season who is watching other than a hardcore? And a lot of that hardcore would rather be watching Chelsea play Leeds.
 
So apply that to the super league. The 4th time Juventus play Chelsea in a season who is watching other than a hardcore? And a lot of that hardcore would rather be watching Chelsea play Leeds.
A lot of the British hardcore would rather see Chelsea play Leeds. The rest of the world would rather Chelsea play Juve for the 4th time, honestly, and thats the point. Football is a globalized product now, there's no stopping that.

Just like the WC has lost most of its luster now because it isn't the quadrennial clash of style and interpretations of the sport and your only chance to see players from halfway around the world.
 
A lot of the British hardcore would rather see Chelsea play Leeds. The rest of the world would rather Chelsea play Juve for the 4th time, honestly, and thats the point. Football is a globalized product now, there's no stopping that.

Just like the WC has lost most of its luster now because it isn't the quadrennial clash of style and interpretations of the sport and your only chance to see players from halfway around the world

Interesting thought, that.

Would a european superleague signal the end of international football? more and more, supporters hate the profileration of international games as it takes players away for 3 games in a week.
If the "super clubs" break away for their own league, will those players be stopped from playing internationally as part of their contracts
 
Saturation would be word I’m possibly in the minority though obviously Im well up for Tottenham playing but there gets a point where “ah football tonight I can’t be bothered” the season is long enough and I’m ready for a break come May. I’m old school the Champions League is boring novelty for a start but not now Real v Bayern, so! Juventus v Barcelona, so! Every season......Straight knock-out for me would be more appealing, no money in that though forget it! a European super league would be fully worse and that includes Tottenham playing in it.
 
Saturation would be word I’m possibly in the minority though obviously Im well up for Tottenham playing but there gets a point where “ah football tonight I can’t be bothered” the season is long enough and I’m ready for a break come May. I’m old school the Champions League is boring novelty for a start but not now Real v Bayern, so! Juventus v Barcelona, so! Every season......Straight knock-out for me would be more appealing, no money in that though forget it! a European super league would be fully worse and that includes Tottenham playing in it.
It would be 20 teams locked into one tournament, no Champions League, no Europa League, no domestic cups. At least because of the draw system there is some rotation, this year playing Bayern Munich but next year Barcelona.
With this other thing it is just the same teams playing each other over and over and over again. Nightmare.
 
Interesting thought, that.

Would a european superleague signal the end of international football? more and more, supporters hate the profileration of international games as it takes players away for 3 games in a week.
If the "super clubs" break away for their own league, will those players be stopped from playing internationally as part of their contracts
Surely that is just us English that think like that ?
Would say other countries like there international team
 
It would be 20 teams locked into one tournament, no Champions League, no Europa League, no domestic cups. At least because of the draw system there is some rotation, this year playing Bayern Munich but next year Barcelona.
With this other thing it is just the same teams playing each other over and over and over again. Nightmare.
And in years to come as this becomes stale the need to create instead a world premier super league will be touted with promotion to and from [it] from the European super league. Blimey, Just where will it end? : ostrich:
 



Five English clubs are among 11 European teams who have signed up to a breakaway Super League in an extraordinary development on the eve of Uefa’s announcement of a new Champions League format.

Manchester United, Liverpool, Woolwich, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur have signed up to the breakaway plan with only Manchester City among the Big Six yet to do so, sources with knowledge of the development have told The Times.

The Super League development is a direct challenge to Uefa which is to announce its new 36-team Champions League format on Monday, to come into force from 2024. The European governing body had thought it had seen off the threat of a breakaway but is now involved in urgent talks with other football bodies.
 
This would be horrible for football. The reason why the American sports can get away with having no relegation is because of the college/junior league draft system, which if done right over time is a natural equaliser
 
Fucking Levy. I really hoped we would be against this breakaway bollocks.

European football is the prize for having a good domestic season, shouldn't be taken as a given. I'm not a fan of the expanded CL either esp with their plan for co-efficient qualification rather than through league position and/or winning an actual European trophy if a team finished outside the CL spots.

It really does seem as if those at the top want to reduce football to 20 or so clubs and make everybody else basically redundant.
 


Top European Soccer Teams Agree to Join Breakaway League

A group led by Juventus, Manchester United, Liverpool and Real Madrid has agreed in principle on a plan that would upend the sport’s structures and economics.

By Tariq Panja
April 18, 2021

LONDON — A group of the world’s richest and most storied soccer clubs has agreed in principle on a plan to create a breakaway European club competition that would, if it comes to fruition, upend the structures, economics and relationships that have bound global soccer for nearly a century.

After months of secret talks, the breakaway teams — which include Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, Manchester United and Liverpool in England, and Juventus and A.C. Milan in Italy — could make an announcement as early as Sunday, according to multiple people familiar with the plans.

The timing of the announcement appears designed to overshadow Monday’s plan by European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to ratify a newly designed Champions League, a competition which would be decimated by the departure of its biggest teams.

At least 12 teams have either signed up as founding members or expressed interest in joining the breakaway group, including six prominent teams from England’s Premier League, three from Spain and three from Italy, according to the people with knowledge of the plans. The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to join them in their venture, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

The teams involved so far are limited to almost a dozen from Spain, Italy and England, with a cohort of six from the Premier League — United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Woolwich, Chelsea and Tottenham — representing the biggest grouping from a single country. Atlético Madrid is the other team from Spain that is said to have endorsed the project, while the Milan rivals Internazionale and A.C. Milan would join Juventus as Italy’s representatives.

The New York Times contacted a number of clubs involved in the breakaway plans but all declined to comment or did not respond. A UEFA spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.

UEFA and the top European Leagues, though, are bracing for the breakaway announcement. Officials spent the weekend in discussions about ways to block the plan, including potentially banning the breakaway teams from domestic leagues and from next season’s Champions League, with the breakaway scheduled to begin in 2022. The repercussions of that type of breakup would be seismic for all involved; without the top teams, UEFA and the leagues would face demands for millions of dollars in refunds from the broadcasters who pay billions for television rights to tournaments, and the clubs would lose revenue streams that could cripple their budgets as European soccer continues to emerge from the financial wreckage caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

Among the most notable teams involved in the breakaway group is Juventus, the serial Italian champion. Its chairman, Andrea Agnelli, also leads the European Club Association, an umbrella body for more than 200 top division clubs, the majority of which will be left out of the proposed Super League. He is also a member of UEFA’s executive board. When asked by The Times this year to discuss his role in the talks of a breakaway league, Agnelli brushed off the idea as a “rumor.”

Still, according to documents reviewed by The Times in January, plans for the breakaway league had gathered pace since the summer. Top clubs sought to take advantage of uncertainty in the soccer industry caused by the pandemic to forge a new path that would ensure a degree of financial stability for them but would also almost certainly lead to a significant — and potentially devastating — loss in value and revenue for teams excluded from the project. Each of the would-be permanent members of the proposed super league are being promised 350 million euros, or $425 million, to sign up, the documents said.

Under the proposals reviewed at the time, the super league, which would play its matches in the middle of the week, sought to secure 16 top soccer franchises as permanent members and to add four qualifiers from domestic competitions. The clubs would be split into two groups of 10, with the top four teams in each group qualifying for the knockout stages, culminating in a final that would take place on a weekend.

The event would, according to the documents, generate hundreds of millions of dollars in additional revenue for the participating teams, which are already the richest clubs in the sport. (An alternative version of the plan proposed 15 permanent members and five qualification spots.) The group had entered into discussions with JPMorgan Chase & Co. to raise financing for the project, according to people with knowledge of the matter. The firm has so far declined to comment.

UEFA found a powerful ally in opposition to the plans in FIFA, soccer’s global governing body. FIFA warned that any player who took part in such an unsanctioned league would be banned from appearing in the World Cup. The statement came after UEFAs president, Aleksander Ceferin, demanded support from his FIFA counterpart, Gianni Infantino, amid mounting speculation that the breakaway would have FIFA’s backing.

European soccer leaders huddled on the telephone and in video conferences over the weekend to forge a counterattack. However, finding a solution to the potential loss of the biggest brands in soccer is not an easy task. The Premier League, for example, would lose much of its sheen — and almost certainly a lot of the commercial appeal that has turned it into the richest league in soccer — should it move to banish its top six teams.

As member-owned clubs, Barcelona and Real Madrid would likely require the support of the thousands of their supporters before formally joining, and any German clubs that agree to take part would face similar obstacles. All can expect heavy internal opposition; fan groups from across Europe had already voiced opposition since details of the plans for a super league emerged earlier this year.
 
Embarrassing if the club are on board.

A crackdown by FIFA\UEFA. now kick any club signing from domestic leagues and bar players in those clubs playing in international football.
Monopolies should be broken. with force
 
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