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It wasn't a case of being triggered;

Not in 'that' sense.... No. (Damn the internetty implications of "triggered".)

the football was doing that. What it did was further amplify the emotions in a negative way for many of us which is why I'd argue that some of us do feel more passionately about these things than others. We're not all cool cucumbers.

It's another example of an iatrogenic consequence caused partly by Levy's naivety and, to be fair to him, his likely good intentions. He possibly thought it would be a glimpse of sunlight amidst the gloom. I've no idea. But it had the adverse effect.

What I've been saying isn't a matter of being 'cool cucumbers'....

Anyway; already said my piece.

......And I learned a new word: ""iatrogenic". Handy. :)
 
I might be wrong here, but I don't think ignorance is a defence here. He would be expected to carry out due diligence before buying the club.

I've never heard of any serious businessman buying a business without a full appraisal of the accounts. If they'd done a proper job, then surely they'd have seen the anomalies in payments?

How dumb do you have to be to buy the club then, shortly afterwards, find those anomalies? We're talking about a multi Billion pound purchase here, you'd normally get forensic accountants all over the books for weeks before signing the contract.

I just cannot see how Boehly and his mob didn't know about them before he bought the club.
When a company buys an entity from another company, 99/100 the seller has to warrant certain things, such as no outstanding tax liability, no fraud etc.

Expect Borhly to go after Abramovich if Chrlsea found guilty based on mis-representation of financial wellbeing.
 
When a company buys an entity from another company, 99/100 the seller has to warrant certain things, such as no outstanding tax liability, no fraud etc.

Expect Borhly to go after Abramovich if Chrlsea found guilty based on mis-representation of financial wellbeing.
I have no idea what I'm talking about, so I will prefix this with admitting this but surely you don't buy something as big as a football club from a known oligarch with shady links to Putin and just take his say-so if he says "yeah it's all good mate". You don't even buy a house without solictors seeing and being satisfied with supporting documentation.
 
I have no idea what I'm talking about, so I will prefix this with admitting this but surely you don't buy something as big as a football club from a known oligarch with shady links to Putin and just take his say-so if he says "yeah it's all good mate". You don't even buy a house without solictors seeing and being satisfied with supporting documentation.

Something always stank about that sale though...... The gov. were involved in massaging it through.
 
I have no idea what I'm talking about, so I will prefix this with admitting this but surely you don't buy something as big as a football club from a known oligarch with shady links to Putin and just take his say-so if he says "yeah it's all good mate". You don't even buy a house without solictors seeing and being satisfied with supporting documentation.

You are exactly right, no-one is dropping £4B on an asset without some due diligence on the accounts beforehand, what's more it was the worst kept secret in the football world that Roman was using Chelsea as a vehicle to launder his cash, so if we knew that then imagine the kind of close circles businessman move in and the insider info they have - Boehly was more than aware what he was investing into.
 
You are exactly right, no-one is dropping £4B on an asset without some due diligence on the accounts beforehand, what's more it was the worst kept secret in the football world that Roman was using Chelsea as a vehicle to launder his cash, so if we knew that then imagine the kind of close circles businessman move in and the insider info they have - Boehly was more than aware what he was investing into.

If anything he likely just assumed that they wouldn't come down hard as it wasn't on his watch... A bit like he probably assumed he'd just pay the fines if he got busted by FFP for over-spending.
 
Perhaps, just perhaps Levy/ENIC actually know what they're doing afterall?!

backing up homer simpson GIF
5-d chess.
 
That’s pure profit though mate. It’s not impactful to revenue but 100% profit

Not so

At the moment Spurs get 'Tottenham Hotspur' stadium broadcast around the world whenever there is Beyonce/Adele et al concerts (viewing is in tens of millions), NFL games etc - and Sponsors respond by paying higher sums as they know their sponsorships get broadcast too.

So having our name broadcast round the world has huge name recognition (= dollar value) which we lose if there is a naming rights deal.

It wouldn't surprise me if Spurs have worked out at what price its advantageous to have a naming rights deal which might be say £25m pa for 10 years as the current arrangements are worth say £20m pa.

So a naming rights deal at a low price = lost value, at £25m pa, extra value might be £5m pa (or enough to buy and pay wages of a Gift Orban not an Victor Osimhen)
 
I'm pretty sure stadium costs/development don't come into FFP guidelines.
They don’t but apparently the interest payments do, which was a surprise to Everton.
2 yrs ago they were paying 95% of their turnover in wages. They voted for the rules, get on with it.
For comparison our wage to turnover was 47% in 21/22.
Evertons argument that they could have got 80m for Richarlison Is laughable. Most people thought he was overpriced at 50-60m, including most people on here I would think.
Deadline day should be interesting. Loans, loans and more loans.
 
If anything he likely just assumed that they wouldn't come down hard as it wasn't on his watch... A bit like he probably assumed he'd just pay the fines if he got busted by FFP for over-spending.

Also, remember when the take-over happened; part of the deal was that he had to pledge further investment to the tune of something like another billion quid... Was there an oversight in him thinking that he could just spend that money without FFP consequence?
 
They don’t but apparently the interest payments do, which was a surprise to Everton.
2 yrs ago they were paying 95% of their turnover in wages. They voted for the rules, get on with it.
For comparison our wage to turnover was 47% in 21/22.
Evertons argument that they could have got 80m for Richarlison Is laughable. Most people thought he was overpriced at 50-60m, including most people on here I would think.
Deadline day should be interesting. Loans, loans and more loans.

The Richarlison thing is dumb.... It doesn't matter what you thought you might get. If they gambled on the basis of a hypothetical price-tag; that's their own silly fault.
 
Also, remember when the take-over happened; part of the deal was that he had to pledge further investment to the tune of something like another billion quid... Was there an oversight in him thinking that he could just spend that money without FFP consequence?

ignorance of the law is no excuse

otherwise everyone drives at 150 mph on a motorway and says when caught 'ooh I didn't know there was a speed limit'
 
If anything he likely just assumed that they wouldn't come down hard as it wasn't on his watch... A bit like he probably assumed he'd just pay the fines if he got busted by FFP for over-spending.

He obviously did know at least about some of it but thought FFP breaches could be paid off.


‘’But days before the competition of the deal, it was agreed that some money would be held back because of the club’s financial complexities under Abramovich. Concerns were raised by the Boehly consortium, who are principally funded by Clearlake Capital, because of the speed with which they had to close the deal.‘’
 
I have no idea what I'm talking about, so I will prefix this with admitting this but surely you don't buy something as big as a football club from a known oligarch with shady links to Putin and just take his say-so if he says "yeah it's all good mate". You don't even buy a house without solictors seeing and being satisfied with supporting documentation.

Possibly but the complexity of the operational may have been too much even for decent legal teams. As per my above post it sounded like they didn’t fully understand all the complex finances. Boehly badly wanted a football club but that football club was like unwinding Lehman Brothers derivatives and MBS books post 2008.
 
He obviously did know at least about some of it but thought FFP breaches could be paid off.


£100m would be a small price to pay for decades of cheating resulting in the vast economic benefit from winning and the rocketing profile of being seen as one of the world's biggest/most successful clubs.... Particularly if factored into the initial price of purchase.

(Fucking hate the arrogance of the mega-rich in thinking that a cheque-book magically makes any problems go away........)
 
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